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New dev blog: Alliance Tournament X Rules

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Zastrow
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#41 - 2012-05-02 18:07:04 UTC
Commentary is crucial to any spectator event. We definitely should have some kind of audio stream for the prelims.

I like the rule changes. Itll be cool to have some new team setups
Dierdra Vaal
Interstellar Stargate Syndicate
#42 - 2012-05-02 18:20:49 UTC
Zastrow wrote:
Commentary is crucial to any spectator event. We definitely should have some kind of audio stream for the prelims.


if all else fails, alliances (or maybe eve radio or someone) can set up a live commentary channel on eve voice or on their teamspeak/mumble/ventrilo servers.

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Mangala Solaris
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#43 - 2012-05-02 18:25:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Mangala Solaris
Mangala Solaris wrote:
Quote:
We will be actively removing those alliances that try and add a ‘B’ or ‘C’ team. We want everyone to have a fair chance but stacking the deck in this manner will not be permitted. This removal will also include the main alliance if we detect anyone trying to field more than one team.


How will this affect RvB?

As both sides of our little community plan on entering a team this year.


Loxy.

RvB would really appreciate an answer on this. Will the B & C team thing affect us or are we golden to enter both sides of our community?
Takeshi Ryuu
Irrational Dimension
#44 - 2012-05-02 18:33:04 UTC
Quote:
If a team chooses to field less than 100 points, non-fielded points count towards the opponent's score.


Did i read this right?
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#45 - 2012-05-02 18:37:22 UTC
CCP Navigator wrote:
Cutout Man wrote:
I love how you guys don't permit B or C teams, but then setup the tournament in such a way that you guarantee that exactly that will happen. All anyone has to do is drop their selected B and C team members out of their alliance and into an alt alliance by May 5th. Nothing CCP does or says will be able to prove that those alt alliances are alts. Nothing. You have created a system that forces you to declare something you can't really prove or to ignore it, making the rules pointless. You guys have a gift for setting up stuff so that cheating is inevitable.


Let's see how that works out for teams trying this.

LOL! I wonder if we'll see a third or fourth place team collect the prize this year because of a retroactive rule enforcement action. Big smile

Looking forward to seeing a couple new Caldari ships w/ an X on them! Big smile Going to guess Merlin and Caracal hulls.

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Grouchy Smurf
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2012-05-02 18:48:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Grouchy Smurf
Takeshi Ryuu wrote:
Quote:
If a team chooses to field less than 100 points, non-fielded points count towards the opponent's score.


Did i read this right?


That was always the case. Standings are related to kill-points. It stops low-scoring teams that are are about to be eliminated from flying a single T1 frigate in the arena, thus depriving points from another team.
Marcel Devereux
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#47 - 2012-05-02 18:53:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Marcel Devereux
12. Moving before the match starts is NOT allowed.

Why is this even a rule? How hard is it to code a new item that prevents movement before the match starts? Hell it could be placed a the center of the arena and mark the boundaries of the arena so the viewers and participants can actually see what is going on.
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#48 - 2012-05-02 19:01:17 UTC
Good luck to all and looking forward to some nice battles!

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Dracoth Simertet
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
#49 - 2012-05-02 19:02:53 UTC
Mangala Solaris wrote:
Mangala Solaris wrote:
Quote:
We will be actively removing those alliances that try and add a ‘B’ or ‘C’ team. We want everyone to have a fair chance but stacking the deck in this manner will not be permitted. This removal will also include the main alliance if we detect anyone trying to field more than one team.


How will this affect RvB?

As both sides of our little community plan on entering a team this year.


Loxy.

RvB would really appreciate an answer on this. Will the B & C team thing affect us or are we golden to enter both sides of our community?



Loxy

Since your ignoring this I'll also ask, are we fine as we are entering both the Red Federation and the Blue Republic or do we need to create a new single RvB alliance?

o7
Drac
FeralShadow
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2012-05-02 19:29:50 UTC
No B and C teams is FULL OF SO MUCH WIN. It will actually be a competitive and enjoyable experience, assuming the finals teams don't just throw the matches. At any rate, eliminating secondary teams will go a long way to help this.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Cap Tyrian
Guiding Hand Social Club
#51 - 2012-05-02 19:33:46 UTC
Marcel Devereux wrote:
12. Moving before the match starts is NOT allowed.

Why is this even a rule? How are is it to code a new item that prevents movement before the match starts? Hell it could be placed a the center of the arena and mark the boundaries of the arena so the viewers and participants can actually see what is going on.


Arrow And a dev 250km invisible warp bubble to prevent disconnects ending up lethal would also be appreciated. !
Saulc Neslo
The Brown Hole
#52 - 2012-05-02 19:35:36 UTC
Hi,

All very good changes i think.

CCP Loxy wrote:
Rivqua wrote:
This has to be a typo:

"3. All competing pilots must have been members of the alliance for which they are competing for from the date that signups close. For Alliance Tournament 10 this means that pilots must have been a member of their alliance before downtime on May, 05, 2012."


We don't even know how to sign up, and you wrote you would be announcing that next week ?

- Riv



Yes a typo or rather a mistake from multiple drafts, it's now been fixed in the blog and all members of a team must be in their alliance by downtime on May 5th.


So if the schedule isn't written in stone, can you please do the tourney one month earlier? I need a new injection of pricemoney fast, ive forgotten how to make isk.
Zowie Powers
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2012-05-02 20:36:03 UTC
The "v" in RvB means VERSUS.

The kind of laughable intellect that would have a person think Red and Blue are A and B teams is exactly the sort of genius level that CCP are renowned for avoiding.

As far as anybody* is aware, the only alliance this would affect is Pandemic Legion. It's kind of laughable to think that an alliance cannot enter the tournament if their friends do.

I'm sure Pandemic Legion will manage to make a dazzling advertisement for your entertainment this year just like year, I do so remember that Pandemic Legion advert from last year....

"Who's going to stop us? Certainly not you."

A nd B teams, stopped.

*everybody

ATX: The best of the rest.
Takeshi Ryuu
Irrational Dimension
#54 - 2012-05-02 20:45:07 UTC
Grouchy Smurf wrote:
Takeshi Ryuu wrote:
Quote:
If a team chooses to field less than 100 points, non-fielded points count towards the opponent's score.


Did i read this right?


That was always the case. Standings are related to kill-points. It stops low-scoring teams that are are about to be eliminated from flying a single T1 frigate in the arena, thus depriving points from another team.

Checked IX tournament rules, and indeed they have the same wording.

I was under impression that if a team fielded less than max points than it was this tiem itself that got bonus score (in case it won).
CCP Loxy
C C P
C C P Alliance
#55 - 2012-05-02 21:21:11 UTC
Dracoth Simertet wrote:
Mangala Solaris wrote:
Mangala Solaris wrote:
Quote:
We will be actively removing those alliances that try and add a ‘B’ or ‘C’ team. We want everyone to have a fair chance but stacking the deck in this manner will not be permitted. This removal will also include the main alliance if we detect anyone trying to field more than one team.


How will this affect RvB?

As both sides of our little community plan on entering a team this year.


Loxy.

RvB would really appreciate an answer on this. Will the B & C team thing affect us or are we golden to enter both sides of our community?



Loxy

Since your ignoring this I'll also ask, are we fine as we are entering both the Red Federation and the Blue Republic or do we need to create a new single RvB alliance?

o7
Drac


I wasn't ignoring it, I'd raised it with the rest of the team and was waiting for a consensus (as well as heading home for the night and grabbing food).

We recognise the particular situation of RvB and we will accept entries by both these alliances as normal. As this could be seen as an exception to the b&c team rule we'd like to reiterate the new position on matches:


  • For Alliance Tournament X the referees can call a match null and void or declare a result if they believe that one of the teams is not competing. This tournament is designed to showcase the talents of pilots and should be entertaining.


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Raivi
State War Academy
Caldari State
#56 - 2012-05-02 21:24:43 UTC
CCP Loxy wrote:
Dracoth Simertet wrote:
Mangala Solaris wrote:
Mangala Solaris wrote:
Quote:
We will be actively removing those alliances that try and add a ‘B’ or ‘C’ team. We want everyone to have a fair chance but stacking the deck in this manner will not be permitted. This removal will also include the main alliance if we detect anyone trying to field more than one team.


How will this affect RvB?

As both sides of our little community plan on entering a team this year.


Loxy.

RvB would really appreciate an answer on this. Will the B & C team thing affect us or are we golden to enter both sides of our community?



Loxy

Since your ignoring this I'll also ask, are we fine as we are entering both the Red Federation and the Blue Republic or do we need to create a new single RvB alliance?

o7
Drac


I wasn't ignoring it, I'd raised it with the rest of the team and was waiting for a consensus (as well as heading home for the night and grabbing food).

We recognise the particular situation of RvB and we will accept entries by both these alliances as normal. As this could be seen as an exception to the b&c team rule we'd like to reiterate the new position on matches:


  • For Alliance Tournament X the referees can call a match null and void or declare a result if they believe that one of the teams is not competing. This tournament is designed to showcase the talents of pilots and should be entertaining.




Would other teams with similar specific concerns be able to contact you via some official channel to discuss it?
Dracoth Simertet
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
#57 - 2012-05-02 21:28:44 UTC
CCP Loxy wrote:
Dracoth Simertet wrote:
Mangala Solaris wrote:
Mangala Solaris wrote:
Quote:
We will be actively removing those alliances that try and add a ‘B’ or ‘C’ team. We want everyone to have a fair chance but stacking the deck in this manner will not be permitted. This removal will also include the main alliance if we detect anyone trying to field more than one team.


How will this affect RvB?

As both sides of our little community plan on entering a team this year.


Loxy.

RvB would really appreciate an answer on this. Will the B & C team thing affect us or are we golden to enter both sides of our community?



Loxy

Since your ignoring this I'll also ask, are we fine as we are entering both the Red Federation and the Blue Republic or do we need to create a new single RvB alliance?

o7
Drac


I wasn't ignoring it, I'd raised it with the rest of the team and was waiting for a consensus (as well as heading home for the night and grabbing food).

We recognise the particular situation of RvB and we will accept entries by both these alliances as normal. As this could be seen as an exception to the b&c team rule we'd like to reiterate the new position on matches:


  • For Alliance Tournament X the referees can call a match null and void or declare a result if they believe that one of the teams is not competing. This tournament is designed to showcase the talents of pilots and should be entertaining.





Fair enough and many thanks for the clarification, I can promise you a fight should the two teams meet though ;o)

o7
DRac
Leeloo Malaquin
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#58 - 2012-05-02 21:43:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Leeloo Malaquin
CCP Loxy wrote:
In the past we have invited the top teams from the previous tournament directly, bypassing the qualifying stage to guarantee we have some of the best and most respected teams fighting in the final weekend. We have made the specific decision this year not to do this. All teams must go through the same process.


Not getting a direct pass over quali sounds fair and all, but does top 4 get spot in the qualis at least, or do you intend to put Darkside, Razor, Outbreak and HYDRA into the hat with the chance of having best teams out of the entire tournament, with the winners unable to defend their championship?

I realize there is the auction also, but it is only limited places and who ends up getting the ticket that way is uncertain, especially if you add 4 more teams to the race for the tickets.

Anyway, looking foward to AT10, hopefully we get the chance to defend our gold.
Herschel Yamamoto
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#59 - 2012-05-02 21:47:20 UTC
Quote:
For example, 4 Curses, 4 Pilgrims, and 4 Arbitrators would be legal.


Not true. Curse and Pilgrim are 14 points each and Arbys are 8. That's 144 points, which is quite illegal. Suggest you change it to "4 Atron, 4 Taranis, and 4 Ares"(which is 32 points total) or some such.
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#60 - 2012-05-02 21:49:12 UTC
Fabulous sets of rules. The 6/12 ships will make things interesting with the same point totals. I think it is quite good, it gives more advantage to lesser skillpoint teams where specialties might lie in frigates and cruisers. Should be quite exciting. WIll be browsing up more and reviewing, but one part did strike me as standing out and needing clarification

In ships and points section

1. Each team has 100 points with which to select their ships. Teams must use a minimum of 50 points. ◦ During Pre-Qualifying rounds, teams have a total of 50 points to select ships. There is no minimum number of pilots or points a team needs to field during the pre-qualifiers.

5. Unused points will be added to the opponents score.

In victory conditions at end

2. If a team chooses to field less than 100 points, non-fielded points count towards the opponent's score.

◦ This rule applies to the 50 point limit during Pre-Qualifying, not 100 points.

To me it doesn't seem clear. Not clear if it is referencing a 100 point rule if only applies to 50 point, or if it specifically means the previously posted rule.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.