Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Guys, this invisible and AFK person MIGHT hurt me.

Here is stopped reading ... Guess why?

Either you want counter cloaking (which doesn't make sense) or you want to counter being AFK, in which case I would ask for the reason.

It's like you call for a counter to being docked. Right?

The only issue I have with cloakers is they get to sit and watch with no recourse. No risk to them at all. AFK is only a term you can describe cause there is no idea if they are watching or not.

If you could send out pings once in a while while mining I think that helps keep the cloaker doing something. Personally if you want prevent tot have a warp in from a cloaker, having a mod on you ship to keep the cloaker away with a dectector would be great. I believe EVE should be interactive in all aspect. This mod maybe should be decloak within 10km radius as a active mod.

That would make cloakers in you system not as scary but does not change why they are there. Since they are recon anyway since them being a deterrent is not the issue.

So your newly created "mod" would make CovOps frigates redundant (jumped, cloaked, got decloaked, got instatpopped). I hope you see the consequences...

100% safety???
You are either misinformed, or assuming far too much.

I am sure, from a non cloaking perspective, it looks easy, and foolproof.

But you need to rethink your assumptions on this. Cloaking gives no more benefit at a gate than any good travel fit does.
And if you challenge a camp without a travel fit, you either planned poorly, or are foolish.
If someone gets in range, your cloak is useless, and for an experienced gate camper, this is not that hard to do.
It won't stop you from being pointed, that's a different module.

And try to remember, these ships have weaker average combat ability than their non cloaking variety.

If you go through a gate relying on a cloak, you are truly betting everything on that cloak. Your ship is very unlikely to offer any options for a second chance if the cloak fails.

CCP was working on an idea like this, im not sure if they are still interested in it but for whatever reason they scrapped it,

from 2007 datadump

http://eve-online.itemdrop.net/eve_db/items/module/anti_cloaking_pulse/cloak_destabilization_pulse_i/

there are several versions of this with varying ranges.

I believe that something like this would be OP and not good for the game

It's called wormhole space with private chat channels.

The ever changing connections is the draw for some people to w-space. I like the idea that every day I have the chance to see and kill/be killed by new faces. It keeps things fresh. I also love that moment of fear when I realize I have not checked dscan for at least a minute while salvaging, and expecting a stealth bomb to exploderize my ship at any second (even while watching dscan like a hawk).

I do not like the POS system, but there has been some very good talk about revamping them recently. I think two_step had a good post on it sometime last week.

So lets recap on whats going on so far.

Original idea: Using probes that specialize in hunting down just ships, these probes can be use to hunt down cloaked and no cloaked ships

Upside: You now can warp to the generalized location of the cloaker, however, seeing most of the time, you still always end up being dropped a number of distance away from said target, you really don't force him to uncloak, and you can't lock cloakers. Jeeze :\
Downside: the probe can only be used on a specialized probe llauncher. And specialized probe launchers tend to take up a lot of ship resources.

Another idea, that actually helps both cloakers an non-cloakers alike: Change local to do something like have a 30 second delay, and or, not show pictures and and not show number changes at all.

Upside, you can now fly into systems completely unseen, downside, carebears no longer know when to dock up when someone badass warps in.

Another suggestion: A object that can be eject from your ship, that can be used to decloaked all units that get to close.
Upside, it like a depth charge, for cloaks. Downside, stealth bombers =(

Suggestion: A mod that when used, shows all cloaked ships on your D-scanner.
Upside: You now know what direction to point your ship in. Downside: It takes a long arse time to active, it takes up a high slot, possible uses up a lot of ship resources. And what happens if he like 20 AUs away? You better get flying!

Three things should change at the same time.

1- It should be possible to probe cloaked ships, to warp on them at 0 to declaock them.
Perharps the Covert Ops frigate should have a spacial ability to be able to decloak ships 30km around...

2- Your name should disapear in the local when you cloak.
It would give a chance to cloakers to catch a pilot that did not see him enter the local and re-cloak...


3- And cloaking should cost fuel.
It would avoid afk cloaking and make the cloak use much harder.

EDIT: That is true that someone AFK is not a danger.
But You have no way to know he is AFK, so you have to play as if this hostile were present.
So His presence just stuck the system.
Cloaking is not a game mechanic to be AFK all the day.
It is made to Scout an hostile system, and to Hunt ennemies in hostile system.
So it may not be use for another mean that is not far of an exploit.

I am really fed up to see hostiles in my SOV with not any chance to chase them. It is absolutely enraging to know that he is here and that I can't do anything about it. I should not know that an invisible ennemy is present. If I know he is there I must be abble to fight back.

So CCP with our help, have to find a way to allow the cloaking device to do its job correctly.

To me two meassures could be enough:

1- Your name should disapear in the local 10 seconds after you cloaked.
It would give a chance to cloakers to catch a pilot that did not see him enter the local and re-cloak...
If it is to much, perharps the cloaked ship could appear in the directional scan, so you could scan it and discover his presence without the possibility to find him directly. AFK miners, and reckless pilot would be catchable although.


2- Cloaking should cost fuel.
It would avoid afk cloaking and make the cloak use much harder.
Covert Ops, Recon Ship, and others warp-cloaky would have an additional special cargohold for this fuel large enough to cloak 8 hours non stop or 960 activations (1 unit for 30s). For the others the fuel would only be in their cargohold.


Probing cloaked ship is an option more difficult to do. How long it could take to probe a cloaky ship? If it is fast cloak will be useless, if it is long the cloaked ship will be too far to be decloaked when you will warp on him....