EVE General Discussion

• Character A is out flying a random ship in low sec when character B "randomly" stumbles upon him and destroys his ship.


• Character A is "totally raging mad", and decides to "get revenge" by putting a bounty on character B.


• Character B pods himself with his alt collecting the bounty.

Given the absurd amount of ISK that is on some people's heads (215B highest ATM), this seems like a totally legitimate method of transferring ISK from one account to another with plausible deniability.

The above scenario is the entire reason for bounties after all. Maybe character A was indeed mad enough that his Brand New battleship was destroyed and decided to put several billion in bounty on someone's head. Who are CCP to decide the value that someone puts on their ISK?

The story checks out and CCP shouldn't be allowed to take the money away from Character B, correct?

Even if character A botted, the ISK they use in transactions and various activities isn't going to be reversed in the likely case unless there is a clear connection and it is easily reversible without damaging the legitimate players. Although I don't know the exact details of the extent of their transaction reversals.

I'm sure this method has been tried and discussed before, but I can't quite see any flaw in the logic. Can anyone point it out to me?

people put the bounties on themselves to get internetsfame.

If I read this right, you're looking to clarify a sneaky way to make RMT isk plausible? This sounds like an "in before thread disappears" situation. You should probably just leave the details to CCP...or if you really care so much, submit a petition with your revelation rather than broadcasting this to the world.

The flaw is that CCP is still allowed to take away money from character B no matter what. Your scenario is just a variant of someone wanting to buy 1 unit of trit for 5 billion ISK. It might be a legitimate trade/succesful scam and CCP shouldn't be allowed to take the money away no matter what, right? The point is, that if CCP have strong reasons to believe that the transfer of wealth was suspicious, you're ******. No ifs or buts about it. There are no rules or mechanics that you can use to shield yourself from the consequenses of your wrongdoing once you have been found.

I don't think that is "method of moving ISK about without suspicion".

In my opinion putting high bounty on someone is highly suspicious, and should be handled by CCP just like if person would've just given that ISK directly (in case it was RMT/botting ISK).

It is well known that bounty system is broken, so why would anyone put high bounty on anyone else, except to give him the ISK.

Of course this is true. However, what's the difference between a regular player dumping a huge ISK on someone's head and an RMT-er? That's what I'm trying to get at. If both the legitimate player and an RMT-er do the same thing, CCP could end up punishing regular players for no reason, yet we don't really hear about that.

What if Character A is a trade mogul with a ton of ISK in the bank and wants to cash out before quitting the game? Legally obtained ISK.

EDIT: Actually, I guess in this case, they could just give it to someone and CCP would just think it's a friend.

yet another reason the bounty system should be overhauled.

Usually we delete speculations on how to safely launder money or perform any kind of exploit, but I'm going to let this one stand because it's a really bad trick and because it would be nice if someone who's doing something bad will see this and attempt to escape his destiny by using it.

We saw through this trick so long ago that we were sending E mails about it on USBs with carrier pigeons.

I´m going to lock the thread though :)