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Lucas Schuyler
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2012-05-01 14:12:02 UTC
My gut reaction, without having any other context, would be that "Elitist PVP" refers to requirements of heavy ISK investment in order to participate.

For example, if you have a group that has minimum ship requirements of very expensive fits on very expensive ships. I was in a group that did roams of Faction Battleships only, with full faction fittings. And "cheap" Faction BSes were still kind of looked askance of Smile
Lucas Schuyler
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-05-01 14:19:45 UTC
Also it depends on what you mean by "Elitist."

My initial gut instinct was this was someone complaining they were not allowed to participate, which suggests something like SP or ISK was a barrier.

I suppose it could also be used by the so-called Elite group themselves and refer to skill, experience, situationl awareness, etc.
Maximus Hashur
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2012-05-01 15:06:58 UTC
Deen Wispa wrote:
What's wrong with skill requirements and kicking people out if they're hardheaded and refuse to learn from mistakes?



Nothing once they are given a shot to prove themselves. I can say from experience that im committed to the corp im involved with and learn well once im taught. Looking at my kill board, i suck if you go by that, but it needs to be understood that the first 10 losses where before i even got involved with a corp or understood that this game is much much more than "get a ship and start shooting"

That being said i understand not wanting to deal with noob shannanigans. Someone like me would end up adding losses to your corp record while i figure it all out.

Looked up...saw this F***ING clown dropping like a rock.  Woke up in Vylade wondering what just happened!!!
Elynea Norvayn
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2012-05-01 15:26:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Elynea Norvayn
It just so happens that I may have the perfect killmail to illustrate ~elite pvp~ at it's finest. (I'm talking about the comments not the kill itself)

https://a-killed.me/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=694972

Doesn't look like the board likes the link open it in a new tab or copy the link :ccp:
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#25 - 2012-05-01 17:15:02 UTC
Deen Wispa wrote:
IbanezLaney wrote:
Good question:

Elitist PvP - to me is when a group has SP requirements and cry like babies, then corp kick when you lose a ship or twenty.


What's wrong with skill requirements and kicking people out if they're hardheaded and refuse to learn from mistakes?


As far as losing ships I think that depends what the issue is.

Losing ships doesn't necessarilly mean you made mistakes. Often I fight expecting that I will die but just hoping I can get a kill.

One of my favorite killmails is a lossmail. It shows me losing a vexor to a destroyer and 5 pods.

But beyond that unless there is some sort of corp reimbursement, why should anyone else in corp care if I lose my ships/pods? Its not their isk.

I can see if I am in a fleet with them and I am horrible. Then I would be needlessly padding their numbers with a ship and making it harder to find fights.(also this throws the fcs expectations of his gang) But that is more of a reason not to have me in a fleet rather than in corp.

Also the problem there is not really me losing my ship as much as me just being bad. I can be horrible pvper and run with a prophecy or maller and almost never die. That doesn't mean you want me in your gang.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#26 - 2012-05-01 19:25:15 UTC
So people despite them Question

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Sjugar
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-05-01 20:11:36 UTC
I'd say there would be a difference between elite and elitist.

Elite being the very good at, fighting against the odds with very good FC outnumbered but because of tactics still coming out ahead.

Elitist on the other hand: scoffing at people because of some stupid metric that really doesn't mean anything, like skillpoints or efficiency.

Although for FCs it's really nice to be able to field a wide range of ships. Today we fly baddons, tomorrow nagas, the day after tengus.
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
#28 - 2012-05-01 21:59:04 UTC
Deen Wispa wrote:
Happy Monday to all of you. What is elitist PVP? Does such a thing even exist here in New Eden? My inquiring mind wants to know.

Isn't it really just the awful pilots looking for a scapegoat as to why they suck and were rejected by their previous corps? Or is there really a threshold that exist when you start to enter elitism? What's wrong with having expectations and standards?

I mean what's wrong with my wanting to fly only with fellow Jin Mei pilots during combat.... Blink

I welcome your philosophical trollish responses.


In my experience the ones who are best at PVP aren't the ones who run around bragging about being elite. The most competent and confident PVP'ers I know are mentors to their corp mates. Elitist e-peen in EVE is really adolescent and in my mind is more an indication of insecurity than confidence.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#29 - 2012-05-01 22:20:29 UTC
You can PvP in this game?

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Tenebrae Syrennis
Abattoir Research and Development
#30 - 2012-05-01 22:38:31 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
You can PvP in this game?


What's PvP?Blink

I have come to eat all your brains.
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2012-05-02 04:53:56 UTC
Deen Wispa wrote:
What's wrong with skill requirements...


Generally they are implemented in a way that's worthless, if not counter-productive.
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#32 - 2012-05-02 05:34:59 UTC
The problem with SP requirements for recruiting people into corps is that often it has nothing to do with their ability to actually fly anything well, not die, and not failburger everything including on comms. I have regularly recruited utter noobs into Sudden Buggery, and continue to do so, because its much harder to break bad habits than teach people how to PVP from the stat and enjoy the game for a game, and not an internerd e-peen contest.

For example, we stress capability, not T2 guns. What is the damn point of making someone take a slog to get T2 large arty for a Tornado when meta-3's are just as effective +/- 5%? Its a good month of training, wherein the noob can get bored, sick of not progressing, or spend the time better on nav skills, targeting skills, fitting and tanking skills that actuall advance is ability to perform a task in fleet.

Elitist people tend to exclude and don't transfer knowledge. They tend to fly doctrine fleets, get pissy about losses, and detern noobs - and there's nothing more useless than having a 90M SP toon flying a ceptor which could easily have been flown by a scrub.

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Corbin Blair
Doomheim
#33 - 2012-05-02 10:47:38 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:
The problem with SP requirements for recruiting people into corps is that often it has nothing to do with their ability to actually fly anything well, not die, and not failburger everything including on comms. I have regularly recruited utter noobs into Sudden Buggery, and continue to do so, because its much harder to break bad habits than teach people how to PVP from the stat and enjoy the game for a game, and not an internerd e-peen contest.

For example, we stress capability, not T2 guns. What is the damn point of making someone take a slog to get T2 large arty for a Tornado when meta-3's are just as effective +/- 5%? Its a good month of training, wherein the noob can get bored, sick of not progressing, or spend the time better on nav skills, targeting skills, fitting and tanking skills that actuall advance is ability to perform a task in fleet.

Elitist people tend to exclude and don't transfer knowledge. They tend to fly doctrine fleets, get pissy about losses, and detern noobs - and there's nothing more useless than having a 90M SP toon flying a ceptor which could easily have been flown by a scrub.

I like you. You're good people.
Galatica789
Victory or Whatever
Nourv Gate Security Commission
#34 - 2012-05-02 12:06:14 UTC
Ignore him gentlemen, He is a a FW bitter noob ;) The Galllente Damar
ScoRpS
Moist Wanted.
OnlyFleets.
#35 - 2012-05-02 12:27:56 UTC
Elitism does exist in this game on many levels. Not just PVP.

I, for example have become the mining expert in my corp and to be frank the rest of my corp are just jealous of my extreme isk making abilities. But when they all secretly ask me to join in, I say no! you suck! Thats me being an elitist.

It's fun being an Elitist and awful being told you suck, go away!

Also one calling one's self elite is inappropriate as this is best left for others to decide. Otherwise one looks rather stupid when one dies like a chump.
Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-05-02 13:04:40 UTC
Even suggesting that it might possibly be wrong to have standards in -any- setting should be a crime! You do not have to look for the best PvP partners if you do not want to. But anyone who does c: has good effort and wants to achieve something. Anyone who tries to make these people feel worse for wanting to achieve more is no good at all!

Ferox #1
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2012-05-02 13:51:52 UTC
Kriegman wrote:
Also, elite PvPers generally have very tasty pods with +5s, never let a pod live! It's like a box of chocolates, you never know what you gonna get.

last time i checked you get only virtual "destroyed ISK value" from killing the capsule.

(unless AAA alliance pays "destroyed ISK amount" to its pilots for destroying those capsules) Shocked

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Calfis
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2012-05-02 15:20:52 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Kriegman wrote:
Also, elite PvPers generally have very tasty pods with +5s, never let a pod live! It's like a box of chocolates, you never know what you gonna get.

last time i checked you get only virtual "destroyed ISK value" from killing the capsule.

(unless AAA alliance pays "destroyed ISK amount" to its pilots for destroying those capsules) Shocked


Let us speculate about what RA does other than surrendering for spaceRoll
Desra Mascani
Eleutherian Guard
#39 - 2012-05-02 19:12:41 UTC
Hey, people, many of you see no distinction between elitist and elite. I suggest you find the nearest dictionary.

For the rest.... IMHO, elitist PvP is when a certain group of individuals refuse to participate in a certain form of PvP and looks down on those who do it. For example: "Aaaah, we are bored with you frig and dessie fights. Get a BS or logistics and come roam with us or GTFO, you noob."
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2012-05-02 23:58:07 UTC
Desra Mascani wrote:
Hey, people, many of you see no distinction between elitist and elite. I suggest you find the nearest dictionary.

For the rest.... IMHO, elitist PvP is when a certain group of individuals refuse to participate in a certain form of PvP and looks down on those who do it. For example: "Aaaah, we are bored with you frig and dessie fights. Get a BS or logistics and come roam with us or GTFO, you noob."


That's not elitist either...
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