Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I think this whole debate about gankers vs high sec miners is that people "living" in high security space expects more "long term" consequences against people blowing up ships that are minding their own business. For example, if real life pirates would be attacking merchant ships not long after they leave any major port of any western country (for example), it would not take long to see NATO navy and air force scramble out, hunt down and destroy the attackers. Anyone suspected in helping and even supporting the pirates would be hunted down as well in a relentless manner. Basically, in the "real world" pirates and terrorists have it much harder then in Eve and I think a lot of players in this game would like to see law and order be enforced just as it would be in RL.

All this being said, the debate is not about making ships harder to kill by giving them more defensive capabilities but how law & order is being held up in an area of the game where people are being told is "HIGH" security.

Now I think the question that should be asked here is, should Eve be perceived as a simulation of a futuristic "real" universe (with ALL of what most would expect from an organized high tech and "civilized" society), or should it just be seen as ...just a game?

When I drive my car on the highway to go to work, I am doing PvP.

Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing a hull buff to them. Regardless of task, they are a bit frail. I always thought that the industry ships should benefit the most from high structure that way people who want to tank them fit a shield bulkhead combo with dcu. My concept T3 industrial I actually had one of the defensive subsystems as one that bonuses to structure tank.

All mining barges and exhumers need a serious HULL HP increase.

Not shield or armor where tanking becomes easier just the ability to resist serious alpha.

And change the exhumer tank bonus from a shield bonus to a bonus to DCU resists?

damn forum, ate the entire post

In the case of all exhumers NEED an EHP buff in order to compensate for the players, which has apparently become a part of balancing when you look at super carriers, titans, and the upcoming nerfs to tengus and drakes.
So, with this in mind I would like to suggest and ALTERNATIVE to a straight up EHP buff.
This suggestion is based off the Caracal, which has low ehp, but when fitted with a passive shield tank can increase its ehp quite a bit.
So, they retain their base EHP but are given the cpu/pg/cap/shield recharge rate and slot layout to allow for them to comfortably fit a passive shield tank comperable to that of the Caracal, which like the caracal, drake, rattlesnake, and other passive shield tanked ships allows for them to fit for more durability, better yield, or a more middle grounded fit.
This buff to cpu/pg/ blah blah blah should also be able to factor in afterburners and mwds. So, like with a caracal/drake/etc.etc.etc.

They would have several available options. Making them more like most other ships in Eve.
High speed/mod tank/base yield
high speed/base tank/mod yield
mod speed/low tank/ good yield
mod speed/good tank/low yield
mod speed/mod tank/mod yield
low speed/mod tank/good yield
low speed/good tank/mod yield
etc.
etc.
etc.

Basically what i'm saying there is that they would have much more capabilites than they currently do but without actually effecting their base ehp or yield and allowing for the players to have much more availability in fitting, which is what every other ship including transport ships, orcas, t1 industrials etc. etc. etc.

This way they would fit better in the world of eve as a ship with modules as compared to what they are now, which is generally a difficult to fit, with limited options ships.

Post your loss mail.

True, they are industrial producers. However, there's nothing in the rules or restrictions to keep industrial producers from beefing up their designs in order to make their product for functional in the application it's used for.

Also, the same people that typically say all this crap that you spewed out in this comment are the very same people that always say you don't balance the game based on lore, so why are you stating a balance on lore?



lol, silly...The people to blame for the low cost of ganking ships aren't the miners in high sec. It's the alliances in null sec who have players and/or alt characters in high sec that they use with maxed out blue prints in order to burn out production on ships and are able to undercut pretty much everyone they want to. All the high sec miners do is produce the bottom of the line minerals needed for production. However, i'm pretty sure there's a lot more involved in that production that doesn't come from high sec miners, so telling them to blame themselves for something they have little to no control over is kinda like blaming my local mayor for something congress is doing. He might have ties to it, but it's far from his fault.



I'm so tired of hearing this load of crap. There are many players in the world of Eve who would be much happier with the game if it didn't involve other players at all. We play pve related content because we enjoy it. When someone comes in and f's that up, that's no more different than if CCP were to come into low/null sec and make all non-wardec related actions concordable. You probably wouldn't be too happy about it and you would start complaining that this is a pvp oriented game, so why are they taking pvp out of it? You'd be super p!ssed if I countered your argument by dropping some bull crap comment about mining and missioning in Eve being pvp centric.

As far as your comments on each individual pvp aspect
- Miners rarely engage each other because they're mining in their high sec belts. The VAST majority of destroyed industrial ships come from ganks and grief/mail padding wardecs that have absolutely no relation to mining competition.
- As far as your comment on manufacturing I will again state what I said above. The major alliances control the VAST amount of the market are able to determine the isk pricing because they have much more room to work with. Why do you think hulkageddon started in the first place? A major alliance that produces the VAST amount of hulks on the market wanted to make sure they sold, so why not pay the winner of a competition a small amount of rewards compared to the income they would receive from new hulk purchases.
- Marketting is again VASTLY controlled by major alliances.
-out-DPSing others in incursions has no tie to pvp. Perhaps running the incursions to gain isk is because you're taking that isk from another group who could have run that site, but again, the people actually running the sites could care less about the other people running it. It's PVE content they wish to be a part of and they're not gonna run around wardeccing and ganking people over it because that's time they lose from actually running the incursions, thus allowing someone else to get that isk.




lol...again another person suggesting that high sec players are crying because they see a blatently noticable balancing issue.
So, they are not allowed to rage over issues related to what they do, but people like you can drop all the tears you want about super carriers, titans, tengus, drakes, etc. etc. being imbalanced because they're pvp ships.

If Eve is ALL PVP then wouldn't that mean that exhumers needed to be balanced around a potential pvp aspect?

Oh, and as far as that crap about having fleet support in system or even in belt. You and I both know damn good and well that this solves nothing in high sec. You can have a belt filled with drakes and one hulk with logistics and fleet boosters and it's not gonna stop a gank fleet from taking out your hulk with much less isk than what you spent on that hulk.

Stupid double standards.

EVE is only as dangerous as you are stupid.