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shawn2
Aeternix
#101 - 2012-05-01 18:18:41 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Jeez man tell me youre trolling... PLEASE. Otherwise Id have to ask a person such as this (not you mind you) that was displaying this significant lack of inherent intelligence (not directing this at you though) If they have to remind themselves to breathe?

Twulf wrote:


The game company behind the game is bound by international law you idiot.


Are you honestly trying to DEFEND this argument??!




did the person who constructed this god awful, incredibly hard to read sentence actually complain about someone's intellect?


did you audition for the movie dumb and dumber by chance?




re-posted since the linky thing didnt work
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#102 - 2012-05-01 18:21:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
[quote]
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Jeez man tell me youre trolling... PLEASE. Otherwise Id have to ask a person such as this (not you mind you) that was displaying this significant lack of inherent intelligence (not directing this at you though) If they have to remind themselves to breathe?

Twulf wrote:




did the person who constructed this god awful, incredibly hard to read sentence actually complain about someone's intellect?


did you audition for the movie dumb and dumber by chance?


Are you really trying to look this bad?

And trying so had you had to repost it?

(Calling me stupid for using words bigger than one syllable you apparently cant understand doesnt make ME the dumb one just so you know)


Roll

Well it worked. Good job... I guess

[quote=Geil Ding]

It is, if the information is made public without the concent of the sender. Mind you that in my country it is against the law to open any mail or document (in a private section) which belongs to an employee, even if he is fired.



Um just so you know, corps are just CALLED corps. You're not ACTUALLY a corporation...You're not ACTUALLY governed OR protected by and laws that govern or protect such organizations.

Dude its just a game and I think you need a vacation

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

shawn2
Aeternix
#103 - 2012-05-01 18:26:38 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
[quote]
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Jeez man tell me youre trolling... PLEASE. Otherwise Id have to ask a person such as this (not you mind you) that was displaying this significant lack of inherent intelligence (not directing this at you though) If they have to remind themselves to breathe?

[quote=Twulf]



did the person who constructed this god awful, incredibly hard to read sentence actually complain about someone's intellect?


did you audition for the movie dumb and dumber by chance?


Are you really trying to look this bad?

And trying so had you had to repost it?

(Calling me stupid for using words bigger than one syllable you apparently cant understand doesnt make ME the dumb one just so you know)


Roll

Well it worked. Good job... I guess



complaining at me because a link didnt work, is hardly the same as trying to read your piece of crap sentence! clearly, you took 7th grade english about 3 times before you passed. Now, move along little boy. Troll someone as dumb as you, Geil perhaps!
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#104 - 2012-05-01 18:28:41 UTC
shawn2 wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
[quote]
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Jeez man tell me youre trolling... PLEASE. Otherwise Id have to ask a person such as this (not you mind you) that was displaying this significant lack of inherent intelligence (not directing this at you though) If they have to remind themselves to breathe?

[quote=Twulf]



did the person who constructed this god awful, incredibly hard to read sentence actually complain about someone's intellect?


did you audition for the movie dumb and dumber by chance?


Are you really trying to look this bad?

And trying so had you had to repost it?

(Calling me stupid for using words bigger than one syllable you apparently cant understand doesnt make ME the dumb one just so you know)


Roll

Well it worked. Good job... I guess



complaining at me because a link didnt work, is hardly the same as trying to read your piece of crap sentence! clearly, you took 7th grade english about 3 times before you passed. Now, move along little boy. Troll someone as dumb as you, Geil perhaps!




Youre the one qqing at me that it was "hard" to read and youre telling ME I took 7th grade English 3 times? Yeah
You make my brains (yes both of them) hurt.

You go block now

There made it easy for you

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#105 - 2012-05-01 18:30:16 UTC
Geil Ding wrote:
I think many have seen www.eveskunk.com by now. An API from a player is (ab)used to show alliance mails on a website for everybody to see. But this is against many national laws, privacy laws to be exact. The problem could correct itself if the sender of the mail has an option to exclude the mail from the API, but there is no such option.

My question to CCP, will the API be changed and the alliance and corp mails removed from the API? Torrent site aren't downloading the content themselfs, but facilitate it.. So is CCP, not sending the mails to website like www.eveskunk.com but CCP does facilitate it.




The player DOES NOT own their API

CCP DOES


where were privacy laws broken? This is damn game...

FC, what do?
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#106 - 2012-05-01 18:32:15 UTC
okst666 wrote:
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Geil Ding wrote:
Also, the receiver of a mail is not entitled to make the mail public without consent of the sender.


Ahahaha. Haha. Ha.

Right.

I'm sorry, I don't care about your wikipedia article because your initial premise is flawed.

Ed: Ok, a challenge. Find me any law in any country that makes it illegal for a person to release regular emails (not medical records, or tax records or classified information or anything like that - just regular emails) without the consent of the sender.


Not a law but I have found a court decision.

http://www.e-recht24.de/news/sonstige/1061.html

In Germany you are not allowed to publish private E-Mails without permission of the sender. As said - this is only a court decision I have found after 3 minutes googleing. I bet if one dives deeper you will find a law.. Be it copyright or "Right on your own words" (translates very badly - basically says you are not allowed to record my voice and play it to othes without my permission - seems easy to adapt to emails)


Anyway, I like the Idea of eveskunk.


k, now go do as I suggested and find the one that actually pertains to this situation. Where a player of a video game sued someone else in the same game so that a legal precedence was made to prevent someone from outing their in game emails. Cause then the ppl that wanna crucify Mittani would have yet more ammo.

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#107 - 2012-05-01 18:35:08 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
okst666 wrote:
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Geil Ding wrote:
Also, the receiver of a mail is not entitled to make the mail public without consent of the sender.


Ahahaha. Haha. Ha.

Right.

I'm sorry, I don't care about your wikipedia article because your initial premise is flawed.

Ed: Ok, a challenge. Find me any law in any country that makes it illegal for a person to release regular emails (not medical records, or tax records or classified information or anything like that - just regular emails) without the consent of the sender.


Not a law but I have found a court decision.

http://www.e-recht24.de/news/sonstige/1061.html

In Germany you are not allowed to publish private E-Mails without permission of the sender. As said - this is only a court decision I have found after 3 minutes googleing. I bet if one dives deeper you will find a law.. Be it copyright or "Right on your own words" (translates very badly - basically says you are not allowed to record my voice and play it to othes without my permission - seems easy to adapt to emails)


Anyway, I like the Idea of eveskunk.


k, now go do as I suggested and find the one that actually pertains to this situation. Where a player of a video game sued someone else in the same game so that a legal precedence was made to prevent someone from outing their in game emails. Cause then the ppl that wanna crucify Mittani would have yet more ammo.



1 - We are not all in Germany
2 - Germany's legal precedents don't hold any water on the international scope
3 - This is not even a legal issue because you signed away those privacy rights when you accepted the EULA


/endthread

FC, what do?
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#108 - 2012-05-01 18:41:24 UTC
ISD Grossvogel wrote:
It turns out that *this* is the (ahem) official eveskunk.com thread; locking the other thread now. Smile


ibtl lol

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

roboto212
EVE University
Ivy League
#109 - 2012-05-01 18:46:07 UTC
POP and lock.
Amanda Holland
Doomheim
#110 - 2012-05-01 20:46:03 UTC
roboto212 wrote:
POP and lock.


Or not it would seem. THIS wasnt the "other thread"

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=103283&find=unread

this was

ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) vroom vroom motorcycle CCP to the sandbox: "This "adapt or die" attitude is nothing new to EVE, but we want to give it a constant rhythm that is a bit more under our control than in the past"
Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#111 - 2012-05-01 20:49:39 UTC
Jowen Datloran wrote:
Internet spaceship lawyers...

fixed that for you.

"I'd rather have other players get shot by other players than not interacting with others" -CCP Soundwave
CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#112 - 2012-05-01 21:19:00 UTC
Can someone please just post an image of the API key creation page where you need to purposefully check mail messages for them to be included and end this thread?

I'd do it but I'm lazy and tired and today's a holiday so I'm watching movies.

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012
CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#113 - 2012-05-01 21:19:55 UTC
roboto212 wrote:
POP and lock.


If you know how to pop lock you have to pass it on brother

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012
Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#114 - 2012-05-01 21:28:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Degren
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Can someone please just post an image of the API key creation page where you need to purposefully check mail messages for them to be included and end this thread?

I'd do it but I'm lazy and tired and today's a holiday so I'm watching movies.


Just cause this was so funny

http://imgur.com/859F2

Edit: Suddenly notices disproportionate amount of blackspace on the right side of the picture and cringes.

Posts it in the thread so you notice too.

Hello, hello again.
roboto212
EVE University
Ivy League
#115 - 2012-05-01 21:30:13 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
roboto212 wrote:
POP and lock.


If you know how to pop lock you have to pass it on brother

Passing it with the url
http://www.eveskunk.com/api.php
You have manually create the api key then manually add it.
Edward Anthony Cullen
Doomheim
#116 - 2012-05-01 21:40:40 UTC
highonpop wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:


k, now go do as I suggested and find the one that actually pertains to this situation. Where a player of a video game sued someone else in the same game so that a legal precedence was made to prevent someone from outing their in game emails. Cause then the ppl that wanna crucify Mittani would have yet more ammo.



1 - We are not all in Germany
2 - Germany's legal precedents don't hold any water on the international scope
3 - This is not even a legal issue because you signed away those privacy rights when you accepted the EULA


/endthread


um... read what he said again cause I dont see anything where dude said "yes that german law applies here"

Quote:
k, now go do as I suggested and find the one that actually pertains to this situation. Where a player of a video game sued someone else in the same game so that a legal precedence was made to prevent someone from outing their in game emails


nope, dont see anything about Germany.
CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#117 - 2012-05-01 21:44:11 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Sreegs
roboto212 wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
roboto212 wrote:
POP and lock.


If you know how to pop lock you have to pass it on brother

Passing it with the url
http://www.eveskunk.com/api.php
You have manually create the api key then manually add it.


For clarification this appears to be them attempting to harvest API keys.

:edit: Well if by "harvest" I meant just openly asking for them

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012
Doddy
Excidium.
#118 - 2012-05-01 21:45:06 UTC
Geil Ding wrote:
The source of the API's could also be from players who left corp x to join corp y where corp x uses the API.. but thats for the player to fix.. delete the old API and make a new one.

But this case mails send by others are made public. Also the EULA is intended for use inside EvE and CCP, not a third party website. But it aint the mails through an API that is a problem, but the sending party is no option at all.. they have no option to exclude the sended mail from the API.


If someone sends an alliance mail they knowingly send it to everyone in the alliance, in the knowledge any of them could be agents or may in future have a greivance. This has always been the case, alliance mails have been leaked since there was first alliances. The API hasn't changed that. Was it really so much better when they were copy/pasted by hand into forum threads?

If you want to "exlude from the API" dont send the mail to whoever you want to exclude. No-one in ther right mind sends anything important in alliance mails anyway.
Geil Ding
Perkone
Caldari State
#119 - 2012-05-01 21:49:28 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Can someone please just post an image of the API key creation page where you need to purposefully check mail messages for them to be included and end this thread?

I'd do it but I'm lazy and tired and today's a holiday so I'm watching movies.


I miss the option where MY mails are excluded from the API of another player. Aside of the legal aspect, what do you think what will happen with the ingame features "corp mail" and "alliance mail" when sites like these will become more common?
Messoroz
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#120 - 2012-05-01 21:51:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Messoroz
Geil Ding wrote:
I think many have seen www.eveskunk.com by now. An API from a player is (ab)used to show alliance mails on a website for everybody to see. But this is against many national laws, privacy laws to be exact. The problem could correct itself if the sender of the mail has an option to exclude the mail from the API, but there is no such option.

My question to CCP, will the API be changed and the alliance and corp mails removed from the API? Torrent site aren't downloading the content themselfs, but facilitate it.. So is CCP, not sending the mails to website like www.eveskunk.com but CCP does facilitate it.



Dear nub,

CCP owns all your ingame creations, YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS TO PRIVACY. God forbid you are doing personal RL things in eve mails of all the possible forms of communication. But you agreed to the TOS and EULA when playing this gae

Also,

Quote:
8. Limitation of Liability. IN NO EVENT WILL CCP, OR ANY OF ITS AFFILIATES OR SUBSIDIARIES, BE LIABLE FOR ANY DAMAGES, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION, DIRECT OR INDIRECT, SPECIAL, INCIDENTAL, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DMAGES, LOSSES OR EXPENSES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, LOST PROFITS, DISCLOSURE OF CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION, LOSS OF PRIVACY AND LOSS OF USE, ARSISING IN CONNECTION WITH THIS SITE OR USE THEREOF OR INABILITY TO USE BY ANY PARTY, OR INCONNECTION WITH ANY FAILURE OF PERFORMANCE, ERROR, OMISSION, INTERRUPTION, DEFECT, DELAY IN OPERATION OR TRANSMISSION, COMPUTER VIRUS OR SYSTEM FAILURE, EVEN IF CCP, HF, OR AFFILIATES THEREOF, ARE ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES, LOSSES OR EXPENSES. IN ADDITION, IN NO EVENT WILL CCP, HF BE LIABLE FOR ANY ACT OR OMISSION OF ANY THIRD PARTY INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, ANY PROVIDER OF TELECOMMUNICATIONS SERVICES, INTERNET ACCESS OR COMPUTER EQUIPMENT OR SOFTWARE OR FOR ANY CIRCUMSTANCES BEYOND ITS CONTROL INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, FIRE, FLOOD OR OTHER NATURAL DISASTER, WAR, RIOT, STRIKE, ACT OF CIVIL OR MILITARY AUTHORITY, EQUIPMENT FAILURE, COMPUTER VIRUS, OR FAILURE OR INTERRUPTION OF ELECTRICAL, TELECOMMUNICATIONS OR OTHER UTILITY SERVICES.