Issues, Workarounds & Localization

I will give CCP a bone here (they can use it on their bone heads if they choose) CCP released this change (not sure if nerf/bug/oversight ) the week before hulkageddon started, so that can partially account for the belts being empty. Because of that, they don't yet see the full impact of this change. I have stopped mining ice because of the change, not because of hulkageddon, but would probably have cut way back on mining during hulkageddon as i have alternate forms of income. It would be interesting to have The host of hulkageddon step in with the current hulkageddon kill stats compared to previous years ( without the marketing speech and bolstering from the pvp'rs but not holding my breath) but even that wont be a good indicator due to all the CONCORD buffs.

The situation is currently fooked, but with so many dynamic activities, its not an easy "oh look, that's fooked up, we need to fix it" metric. As far as the code is concerned, this reaches much farther back than the release of the Orca, the Corp hangar code is left over from the original release of carriers, pos corp hangers and titan hangers when they just took the code from the Station corp hanger and slapped it in a ship(little bit of short sited laziness led to massive repercussions without realizing it ) now the mistake was "fixing" the code and not testing it fully, let alone allowing US to know its being changed. Ironically, the situation was probably brought on by the boomerang exploit fixes.

The only really massive SNAFU in this case is the lack of consistent and timely communication regarding the issue. We have had everything from an oops, were looking at it to a working as intended, HTFU and deal with it. I read somewhere that today may be a holiday for the devs, so the timing is even more FUBARED.

I'm sure there's even a large contingent at CCP that have the oppinion of "its just the carebears, let em simmer while we work on it, they wont go anywhere" not realizing, its not just the carebears that are impacted. the rest just haven't noticed it yet.

Wait till the titan or the supercarrier dies because just as he needs to swap modules from a fellow alliance member in combat, they can no longer drop the gear over in a hurry because "Where the he11 did your corp bay go?" and the titan goes pop. Batphones will be ringing that day, and replacement petitions will be flying.


Can we get something from the Dev's? or do we need a followup of the mass cancellations like we had for the NeX market communications failure fiasco?

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The whole reason mining w multiple accounts works, as so many of us do, is because we DONT have to join a player made corp. Griefing has become an epidemic in eve, and is extremely prevalent toward miners and mining corporations through war deccing or flat out ganks. Forcing us to create a corp just to access the hangar in an orca, isnt going to work. How is a corp of defenseless miners going to twart off career griefers? What ccp should do, bc concord is a joke in hs, is give mining ships a greater ability to defend against ganks not take away roles from mining fleet members.

I understand the motive, perhaps, behind such action- to unite the players to fully utilize the functionality of the game through forging player interaction with one another either through merc corps or the formation of new alliances as a preventative measure for war- perhaps. However such extremes arent always readily accessible to players, or a viable solution to this problem. I have multiple accounts, and my main char is in a player based corp and alliance, needless to say, there are often times when i observe situations where individuals become much more of a nuisance than a team member- hindering progress and disrupting the chain of command for no purposeful reason. What happened to freely playing the game as WE choose, isnt this supposed to be a "sandbox" or have i left the playground??


I propose to change the hangar name to "fleet" rather than "corporation" so that fleet members could utilize the service, and not have to create/join the corp of the orca pilot just to do so, and to upgrade mining vessels w the ability to better protect themselves from an attack.

Ever heard the term : "if it aint broke , dont fix it"... i feel this needs to be applied to this particular change...so CCp adds a new button to click which allows fleet members to use corp hangar ona orca...which doesnt work btw...i mine with more then 1 account ..one of which isnt in same corp as orca...as you can see this isa probelm because i have to jettison a can and let pirates drool ... this is such a bad idea i mean seriously ...alliance members not bein able to use another alliance pos labs is bad enough and now you take away dunmping into orca... this is bad fix ...i hope you fix it back

The CSM can only give suggestions on issues that are brought to them. Greyscale needs to be more proactive on bringing things to their attention before he does them.

As for the "DO THIS OR I'LL QUIT" mentality. Remember CCP made a video called Harden the F Up.

I petitioned about it and after recieving my responce i promptly responded back:

I've just read the thread and so far it doesn't appear that the thread is being monitored at all. You have a lot of angry players that want this fixed as well. I mean why give the players something for a while and then say "oops you're too good with that so we gave you so we need to take it away" I think someone needs to explain to the general audience why the need for perpetual change toward the worse and find some way to resolve this issue. Other than saying "this is the way we want it and if you don't like it too bad"

Hey guys,

After reviewing many of the petitions regarding this change, us Game Masters have been in contact with our developers due to the concerns raised by players, both through the petition system and on the forums. I wanted you guys to know that we are looking into reverting these changes and we will be sure to keep you guys posted.

Can't stop the signal.

thank you for responding :) i appreciate how the problem happened with the changing of code... but it was disconcerting how there was no response for days about this... thanks :)

thanks! nice to see the community is being listened to, I was getting worried seeing the 8 page topic without any good response about a proper fix (reverting to fleet access).

Good job CCP (assuming this fix comes promptly)

I think this one is the big WTF issue out of this particular incident. The rest of CCP was very straightforward about the changes proposed for this release. Did a great job.

The corp access code, I can't find any mention of proposed changes or even patch notes. As near as I can tell this wasn't shared with the CSM either.

Just seems like small group or individual hasn't gotten with the program yet? Or does this signal the beginning of a backslide?

Why rewrite the corp code, without any of the nuances added for fleets or alliances? Why think that's going to go over well as a stealth update?

Very perplexing.

Sweet. Someones got us 2nd class citezen's back. Thnx Tiny