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Is it worth concentrating on research and industry?

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Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#21 - 2012-05-01 18:36:31 UTC
Corbin Blair wrote:
Ms Scrootie McBoogerball wrote:

Minerals you mine are free if you choose to consider them free and you feel final product is worth selling under those conditions. It's your own time and Isk you are wasteing(maybe) and will allow you to have competitive prices(run your own math).

Minerals are never, ever free. If you sell the finished product for less than the value of the minerals used to make it, you're not making a profit. Your net worth is in fact decreasing. This is extremely basic economics. I'm a combat player and even I understand this stuff. Stop giving newbies terrible advice.


Except the "value of the minerals" is an arbitrary value assigned by you. If a couple million isk for each hour of your time seems like a fair trade to you, that is by definition the value of the minerals/products in your case, regardless of what the mean market value of them is.

Since Eve has infinite resources demand is also the primary setter of price, and that kind of market results in oscillating prices for goods and currency value, so sometimes a finished module is going to be "worth" less at one time than the minerals comprising it at the same (or a different) time, the two variables are linked but there's some control delay factor. Longer-term investments where you specialize in making something and produce it at a stable rate will tend to give you smaller but more consistent returns and keep you from losing your shirt in speculation. Undercutting other producers by pricing based on something you don't value much (your time-- let's be honest, you're playing an MMO and shooting rocks, your time means nothing to you) will also chase other producers out of your market by leaving them with an unsellable stack of "properly valued" turrets or whatever, so "minerals I mine are free" is a great philosophy for carving out that beginner niche.

This is also extremely basic economics.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#22 - 2012-05-01 19:40:02 UTC
Ms Scrootie McBoogerball wrote:
I
Minerals you mine are free if you choose to consider them free and you feel final product is worth selling under those conditions. It's your own time and Isk you are wasteing(maybe) and will allow you to have competitive prices(run your own math).


you keep telling yourself that while I keep buying your under-priced stuff and reprocessing (or just simply re-selling) it for profit.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#23 - 2012-05-01 20:31:10 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
Ms Scrootie McBoogerball wrote:
I
Minerals you mine are free if you choose to consider them free and you feel final product is worth selling under those conditions. It's your own time and Isk you are wasteing(maybe) and will allow you to have competitive prices(run your own math).


you keep telling yourself that while I keep buying your under-priced stuff and reprocessing (or just simply re-selling) it for profit.


To be fair, you can do that with a big enough chunk of capital whether or not the items in question are "undervalued" in mineral terms or not. When I see a limited number of something in my region, I'll frequently buy the lot, add 10%, and sell it again, and I'm in no way a dedicated trader.

(A couple of times I've immediately had someone else buy my +10% stuff and repeat the process, so I'm not alone in being this much of a bastard.)
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#24 - 2012-05-01 22:19:51 UTC
Minerals definitely aren't free, they are worth exactly as much as you get from the market, you can tell your self that it doesn't matter until you actually get to real industry part and start hauling millions of m3 of tritanium.
Sure you can peddle with small stuff you've mined for a day or two and say it didn't took that long and think minerals are free but they sure aren't once you have mined enough ore for several capitals or fleets of battleships and your miners start asking their cuts on the profits.
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