EVE General Discussion

Honestly if they'd just swap the bonus between strat cruisers and command ships 90% of the problem would be solved. Then you'd actually have an incentive to use a command ship (which might as well be on grid since it's trivial to scan one down.)

Of course one thing such a change would result in would be a lot more Rorqual's dying.

BTW do you know why strat cruisers are used as off grid boosters rather than in combat? Because a strat cruiser that's fit for boosting is pretty much useless in combat and implodes the second anyone looks at them crosswise.

They will totally help you when the guy operating the boosting alt knows how to use a directional scanner and uses it every now and then - he will then warp to another spot or quickly cloak up, denying his gang his benevolence only for a few seconds and then you can start probing again. Rinse and repeat.

Of course, a prober will also prove to be marvelously useful against a T3 booster sitting in POS shields.

They have these things IRL called Brains. They can stop you from making stupid posts. I know its hard to believe and totally not real, but they are there. Unfortunately you can't just grow a better one if you were born without one.

Hope this helps.

I can understand that, however I also firmly believe that the closer PVE comes to simulating PVP combat conditions the better.

Yeah, the assistance of new players is important, but myself, I used to run in a T1 support bc. Particularily a remote support myrm to help then when they got into trouble during training. Outside of that, same thing I think, need to be on grid. Afk pve, no reason to be exempt or have that combat advantage.

As for the babysitting, good if the people cannot/don't want to multibox a command ship pilot on grid. Means those of us who fly em as mains are more useful

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Those I understand, and of course there is more risk to them. I have been in fights where I am on grid, and while logistics are there, they of course do not primary me. Later into the fight, I have to always be watching range to make sure no tackles are within range else I need to keep on grid boosting, which of course warp shuts down the links. This is late fight, ideally in early parts of the fights, I almost never get targeted.


Hopefully we might get more heavy combat centric form of command ships. Say a link battleship with more tank, but less boosting. The changes that prevent instanuking of command ships (ie doomsays) was a nice change. And in the large fleet fights, there is simply too much alpha to survive. If you go to a command link capital (they can work quite well) run into the doomsdays, though if there are DD, hopefully might have a link titan pilot.

Ideally what is needed is that intermediate between the capitals and the regular command ship for the few hundred people fights where more tank and less booster commship would be the best solution. Besides, everybody wants the khanid abaddon.

Too bad all the command ships except for the Damnation sucks.

The Damnation is good because it has double tank bonus which allows it to survive and give boosts to the field.

The Eos is a joke with the least useful leadership bonus, armor repair bonus, hybrid damage bonus with only 5 turrets, and extra drone space bonus. This is the worst ship I have ever seen. The bonuses are poorly thought out on top of the fact that information warfare is not very useful compared to other warfare types.

The claymore has tracking speed, turret bonus, and shield booster bonus. - What a useless combination to have for a FLEET command ship.

The vulture is lulz worthy it has not one but TWO optimal range bonuses for 5 unbonused crappy hybrid turrets and only 1 shield resist bonus. What is this a killmail whoring ship?

I really hope CCP won't remove off-grid boosting. It would seriously nerf Rorquals/Orcas everywhere. It would also place attacking fleets at a disadvantage due to the grid-fu that will happend at every gate/station/pos.

Can't say at which timestamp it was in the vid linked in the first page, but there's also a statement on the issue in the game design panel on 37:30.

so I'l just sit right outside my pos shield, and then duck in if anyone comes near

Problem is that the Damnation is the only real fleet combat ship that can fit a proper tank.

The vulture can only reach half the ehp of the damnation Without Slaves.

With Slaves the difference becomes even bigger.

The claymore and the Eos scales poorly with bigger fleet size due to reliance on active tanking, but i guess its understandable for claymore since its used for roaming gangs.

But the EOS is awful. Its design philosophy sucks and information warfare sucks its never used, it has a very limited use compared to other warfare bonuses.

The EOS is a complete joke it comes with a drone bay size bonus which it only has the bandwidth of a vexor and no drone damage bonus. It has a hybrid damage bonus for 5 turrets which will never be equipped since you need 3 slots to put links.
Then finally the armor repair bonus that hurts EOS as active armor tanking is weak compared to shield tank and repairs at the end of the cycle. It works poorly for fleets.

Fleet command Ships except perhaps the Damnation need some serious looking at.

Only a year+ overdue on this.

Imo the gang boosting shouldnt work "on the whole grid", gang mods should have range of around 50k. Command ships would keep smaller effectivness bonus and get new "gang boosting range" bonus (100-200%), t3s would keep higher gang link effectivness bonus.