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Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#81 - 2012-05-01 17:40:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Yeaaaaaaa cause spying in internet spaceships... Same thing as espionage IRL

I can imagine the lawyer: "But your honor, EVE IS REAL It said so on the web page for the service some months back."



Yeah Im quotin myself, you wanna fight about it?

but Im lolling at my own comment is why.

Nirnias Stirrum wrote:


Didnt see this in any terms and conditions. Iv used that ASCII hundreds of times on the forum. Nothing has ever come of it! I can understand why they would'nt be allowed but meh, hardly care. It was appropriate and it was in good taste!


Didnt say it wasnt, an mine was too but you can catch warnings for the stupidest things, just thought Id actually go against the grain of EVE and help for once lol

Geil Ding wrote:
Funny how dumb people can really be, or try to undermine the words being said by attacking the person and not the arguments. I am pretty sure everybody would burn CCP if they would make every mail public send ingame.


Funny thing about THAT...

Quote:
Personal attacks are prohibited.
Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another. Text of this nature is not beneficial to the community spirit and will not be tolerated. Corporation, faction and alliance members and other players are cautioned to avoid allowing “in character” disputes from becoming "out of character" personal attacks. The game is designed for role-playing and/or portraying a role and it is sometimes easy for tempers to flare when the lines between the virtual world and the real world are crossed. Please keep in-game disputes in the game and off the forum unless it is clearly a mutual, in-character exchange.


Report em. Stupidity isnt fatal sadly but in this case it is bannable lol

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#82 - 2012-05-01 17:48:31 UTC
Jandice Ymladris wrote:
Serious, this is all part of the game. Don't like it? deal with it! You can't expect CCP to hold your hand and help you to weed out spies. It's up to you how to do that, that's what makes EvE great, you choose how to play, and if there's an obstacle, you find ways around it, or how to remove it. Not cry to CCP that it's unfair.


Dont like it? Leave. That IS how CCP weeds out ppl who cant deal with EVE

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#83 - 2012-05-01 17:50:20 UTC
cpu939 wrote:
i might be wrong but do not all in game items belong to ccp.


i might be wrong but does not everything in the game belong to ccp?
Including communications.
Ev
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thing

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Mr Studmuffin
Perkone
Caldari State
#84 - 2012-05-01 17:53:24 UTC
my 2 isk...

I think that there is a great many whiny ass alliance CEO's and directors here moaning and complaining. lets face it, you guys have spies and they are posting your information.





so here is a tip.... GO FIND YOUR FREAKING MANCARDS, I THINK YOU LOST THEM!




solve your spy problems!
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#85 - 2012-05-01 17:55:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
seany1212 wrote:
Metal Icarus wrote:
free intel with no work involved nice. Wish local could work as good.

This is so bullshit its broken IMO. Alliance leaders should be the only ones able to post alliance mails in their API's.

INB4 alliances creating encrypted mails and CODE-BREAKING ACTUALLY BECOMES A SKILL


They can be, it generally requires the communication officer role in order to post alliance mails, what the OP wants is to basically select what mails certain people receive (spais) but theirs nothing stopping spais copy/pastea into internet webpages and it doesn't breach international laws, you press send, the mail becomes CCP property.

EDIT: encrypted mails would be so cool, "the bird has flown the nest" loooool


hmmmm need Malkavian - English translation page

Geil Ding wrote:
I am not a layer but a programmer with a Masters degree in Software Engineering. An important topic is "ethics"... I hope CCP received the message and will act upon and do the "ethical" thing.


AH HAHAHAHAAA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

*snort* *snork*

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
etc

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Geil Ding
Perkone
Caldari State
#86 - 2012-05-01 17:56:05 UTC
I am a EvE player from 2005, I know how things work in EvE. This post was for CCP to read, not to fuel a discussion between fellow players. I am sure CCP devs have read this and will act upon as they see fit.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#87 - 2012-05-01 17:58:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Geil Ding wrote:
I am a EvE player from 2005, I know how things work in EvE. This post was for CCP to read, not to fuel a discussion between fellow players. I am sure CCP devs have read this and will act upon as they see fit.


My main is too. and Im sure theyre laughing too

Gorki Andropov wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Gorki Andropov wrote:
Likes received: 0


Says it all, really.


Oh hell when did Likes start mattering?
Or is it just to you?



Well, they started mattering the minute you found fault to pick with what I said ^^


to you? ah ok...

They dont matter to anyone else. They dont matter to me either, what mattered to me was that it was funny someone STILL thought they did... lol
You have fun with that tho

0/10 You HAVE to be able to troll better...

If you cant, you have my pity

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Aglea Toralen
Doomheim
#88 - 2012-05-01 17:59:39 UTC
Geil Ding wrote:
I am a EvE player from 2005, I know how things work in EvE. This post was for CCP to read, not to fuel a discussion between fellow players. I am sure CCP devs have read this and will act upon as they see fit.


OH NOES... 2005... OH NOES... You know how Eve works... LOL

*CCP* ATTENTION *CCP* ATTENTION *CCP*

Please for the love comment on this... this is the height of hilarity.
Mr Studmuffin
Perkone
Caldari State
#89 - 2012-05-01 18:00:30 UTC
Geil Ding wrote:
I am a EvE player from 2005, I know how things work in EvE. This post was for CCP to read, not to fuel a discussion between fellow players. I am sure CCP devs have read this and will act upon as they see fit.



Im gonna have to call B__S___ on this one! if you wanted CCP only to read this, you would have filed a petition! instead, you went on an out of corp alt, knowing that you would be fueling a fire. so my response to you is...

FORGET THE MANCARD.....YOU MIGHT WANT TO START WITH A POSTAGESTAMP SIZE MANCARD
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#90 - 2012-05-01 18:02:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Geil Ding wrote:
If a player would copy/paste the mail themselves then it their problem, CCP did not help them doing so.

Also, the receiver of a mail is not entitled to make the mail public without consent of the sender. Imagine the government to make everything public what was send to them, like letters, tax submissions, etc. Or a doctor who would make everything public about his patients, I mean.. he is free to share everything was is being shared with him, right? Wrong, it is all against the law.

feel free to read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_privacy



IN GAME MAIL =/= Email.

Ask a lawyer.
HEY WHERES MITTENS

SpaceSquirrels wrote:
1. It's an in game mail system
2. Spam mail sent to lots of members
3. It's not stealing if they send it to you. (Or reasonable expectation of privacy)

4. Go sue them or nothing will change.

(your doctor law AKA HIPAA here in the U.S) is not allowed to give out patient info unless consent was granted... That's not the same as getting mail sent to you and you the person then sharing it.) Lets say your doctor send your results back... You can do whatever the hell you want not them..

However we're not ******* doctors or professionals are we? Were playing a video game...


Im not a Doctor but I RP one in a game....

Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Geil Ding wrote:
Also, the receiver of a mail is not entitled to make the mail public without consent of the sender.


Ahahaha. Haha. Ha.

Right.

I'm sorry, I don't care about your wikipedia article because your initial premise is flawed.

Ed: Ok, a challenge. Find me any law in any country that makes it illegal for a person to release regular emails (not medical records, or tax records or classified information or anything like that - just regular emails) without the consent of the sender.


Ive got a better one. Go find any law anywhere that makes it illegal for one game player to release the in game emails of another game player. Ill wait.

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Aglea Toralen
Doomheim
#91 - 2012-05-01 18:04:07 UTC
Mr Studmuffin wrote:
Im gonna have to call B__S___ on this one! if you wanted CCP only to read this, you would have filed a petition! instead, you went on an out of corp alt


My out of corp alt is still more respectable than you or your corp, Mr. Former TJA.
Mr Studmuffin
Perkone
Caldari State
#92 - 2012-05-01 18:05:00 UTC
Aglea Toralen wrote:
Mr Studmuffin wrote:
Im gonna have to call B__S___ on this one! if you wanted CCP only to read this, you would have filed a petition! instead, you went on an out of corp alt


My out of corp alt is still more respectable than you or your corp, Mr. Former TJA.




the key word is former lol. i have repented of my sins!
Aglea Toralen
Doomheim
#93 - 2012-05-01 18:06:06 UTC
Mr Studmuffin wrote:
the key word is former lol. i have repented of my sins!


You're still tainted...
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#94 - 2012-05-01 18:06:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Destru Kaneda wrote:
Surely people have been sharing Evemail-based intel since day one? So just because an API makes it easier we need to remove the feature? Look, any rational person would understand that the problem is not with the API, but people using it to leak mails. After all they could still just copy and paste. For someone with a software engineering degree you are being willfully ignorant. You're supposed to be a proponent of innovation, not a technophobic blowhard.


Wasnt this part of how the T20 affair was breached by kugutsumen?

Oh **** CCP MAY wanna cover this up O.o

Aglea Toralen wrote:
Mr Studmuffin wrote:
the key word is former lol. i have repented of my sins!


You're still tainted...



Or a Taint? The body part

Geil Ding wrote:
May I point out that it is not the player itself who is making the mails public but CCP through the API? CCP is acting as an ISP where it relays a message from one player to another.


No.... your ISP is your ISP. you connect TO EVE THROUGH your ISP....

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#95 - 2012-05-01 18:12:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Jeez man tell me youre trolling... PLEASE. Otherwise Id have to ask a person such as this (not you mind you) that was displaying this significant lack of inherent intelligence (not directing this at you though) If they have to remind themselves to breathe?

Twulf wrote:


The game company behind the game is bound by international law you idiot.


Are you honestly trying to DEFEND this argument??!

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

adam smash
Department of Gub'nent Welfare
Harkonnen Federation
#96 - 2012-05-01 18:13:19 UTC
Hey OP will give 1billion isk for some of what your are smoking LOL

Eve is real went to someones head

Also wikileaks anyone? LOL
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#97 - 2012-05-01 18:14:36 UTC  |  Edited by: THE L0CK
For a anti-social this Malkavian guy sure has turned into a post-a-holic.

Geil Ding wrote:

I am a EvE player from 2005, I know how things work in EvE. This post was for CCP to read, not to fuel a discussion between fellow players. I am sure CCP devs have read this and will act upon as they see fit.


You clearly don't. You failed with reading and understanding the EULA which means you obviously shouldn't have clicked ok. And you failed to understand that the forums are a place for players to openly discuss things game related.

Take a look folks, this is what is coming out of our schools now.

Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#98 - 2012-05-01 18:15:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Polly Oxford wrote:
Geil Ding wrote:
May I point out that it is not the player itself who is making the mails public but CCP through the API? CCP is acting as an ISP where it relays a message from one player to another.



Sowhen someone gives their email login to someone else the mail provider is breaking the law?


So everyone in WoW that has someone else's RealID (and the RealID thing in general) is breaking international law?? Someone call... Scotland Yard? Whose juristiction is this?

THE L0CK wrote:
For a anti-social this Malkavian guy sure has turned into a post-a-holic.


Youd have to know the thing behind Malkavs... how they tend to congregate, and how the laws of reality weaken around them
Malks are social creatures. So an Antisocial Malk is kind of an oxymoron.

(IE dont read too much into the name. A rose by any other name works just as well to pain blood on the walls with and all)

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

shawn2
Aeternix
#99 - 2012-05-01 18:17:27 UTC  |  Edited by: shawn2
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Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#100 - 2012-05-01 18:18:33 UTC
shawn2 wrote:
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why doesnt your quote come up when I hit quote?

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.