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light dreads next patch?
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#21 - 2012-05-01 16:49:20 UTC
CCP has created another special case again with the Tier3 BCs. After Tech3 Cruisers were introduced was everyone wishing for T3 frigates, to T3 battleships, to T3 mining ships. Now you are basically doing the same again and are asking for a copy of the Tier3 BCs.

As much fun as this topic is - I want an Incursus with an XL turrent \o/ - do I only see a small chance of anything similar emerging from CCP soon. They will want to see the full impact of their latest idea first and I am still a bit puzzled by why they introduced these Tier3 BCs. The Tier3 BCs are apparently the new standard in ganking. So for all I know could we get to see a Tier2 Destroyers that can fit medium weapons. We have so few destroyer models and they are used for ganking, too. Shocked

Seriously, though. My best guess is that CCP had some good ship models at hand useful for being battlecruisers, but they were afraid of introducing yet another ship with medium guns. We already have lots of T1/T2/T3 cruisers and battlecruisers all with medium guns. I can see how they had this idea of fitting large guns on a third type of battlecruiser.

If there is going to be a new battleship then it will likely come with large guns as usual and Tier3 BCs will stay a special case for a while. One can always fit smaller weapons anyway.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#22 - 2012-05-01 17:03:19 UTC
High Damage, Jump Drive, ability to use gates?

Looks like a Black Ops to me.


Dreads sacrifice a lot to get their DPS. Your proposed shiptype would send dreads the way of the EAF.

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Lucas Schuyler
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2012-05-01 17:10:34 UTC
I think this is premature. There is hardly enough of a role for Dreads as is, that I think giving Dread capabilities to a Battleship would kind of undercut Dreads too much.

Dreads moreso than any other Capital really can only be used with specific structures in place of a large Alliance. To me this thread is saying "Hey, we need solo/small gang Dreads." And I am not sure whether that is really appropriate.
Omu Matol
Repo.
#24 - 2012-05-01 17:11:10 UTC
XL sized guns on anything other then a dread, looks either totally bad ass or totally ridiculous, depending on your aesthetic.

http://i.imgur.com/qCT6B.jpg
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#25 - 2012-05-01 17:13:18 UTC
I liked the idea of using the Black Ops for this.

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#26 - 2012-05-01 17:14:35 UTC
Closest ship class youre thinking about in real life that was oddly never built is an arsenel ship.

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Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#27 - 2012-05-01 17:29:55 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
Closest ship class youre thinking about in real life that was oddly never built is an arsenel ship.

Ahhh... I remember that.

I'm surprised that never came into being too... here's the US version. France and the UK were toying with the idea too...

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#28 - 2012-05-01 17:31:30 UTC
BB 72 Loiusana I think was to be the name of ours but it was cancelled. It thoery it would be a nice ship to have to bad it doesnt have enough control links for all of her missiles.

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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#29 - 2012-05-01 17:35:07 UTC
Scrap the jump drive and allow Tier 3 BSs to fit a version of a siege module, would think that would be a easier fix. No need to add more ships.

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Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-05-01 17:57:04 UTC
Jayrendo Karr wrote:
tier 3 BC's was over the line. Next we'll have tankless titans with 8 doomsdays.


I'm...

Hmmm...

Why is this ok by me?

...probably cause I've never fought a supercap. Shut up, Degren.

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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Doomheim
#31 - 2012-05-01 19:21:52 UTC
hm... light dread... great gank platform or greatest?

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Viziam
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2012-05-01 19:38:11 UTC
MotherMoon wrote:
Actually, this gives me an interesting idea.

Maybe a light dread could be a battleship that can only fit a single dread sized weapon. AND 4 battleship sized weapons. It would only be useful for pvp, but it would be a cheaper way to bring newer players into a siege battle?


I could see that working, the capital sized weapon could be in a spinal mount. I do think however if its just one gun it needs a big per level dmg bonus. I would use the following slot layout.

Amarr 7/5/7 1 XL turret 5 L turrets 1 utility
Minmatar 7/6/6 1 XL turret 5 L turrets 1 utility
Caldari 7/7/5 1 XL turret 5 L turrets 1 utility
Gallente 6/7/8 1 XL turret 4 L turrets 1 utility

I actually disagree with the glass cannon concept for this. I think this thing should be very sturdy since it will be shot at by Caps/Scaps. Also think I'd just Bastardize existing 3rd Tier BSs and not make a new hull. Build the narrative as these were a rush job to fill a niche. It could be a solid cap killer in numbers but still have the firepower to deal with BS/BC support
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Mirrodin
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-05-01 19:43:55 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
xl guns are freaking useless without siege mode or the massive titan damage bonus


People aren't 1) Reading this entirely correct response and 2) never fly with XL guns unsieged, apparently.

XL guns are absolute ****. It wouldn't be worth creating a whole new ship model that could fit XL guns. The only "viable" suggestion in this thread is the Siege Module, and even that isn't really good.

What would be the actual *role* of this ship? Because with the upcoming ship lines, most of the existing battleships already fit into a line (aside from Support)
Fannie Maes
Doomheim
#34 - 2012-05-01 19:46:13 UTC
And make Battleships obsolete?

...


I suppose you can still fit mining lasers on them.
Amanda Holland
Doomheim
#35 - 2012-05-01 20:52:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Amanda Holland
Mirrodin wrote:

What would be the actual *role* of this ship?


Role:

*aim at Freighter/Orca* *BOOM! Headshot!*

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Angry Mustellid
#36 - 2012-05-01 21:37:10 UTC
A "Light Dread" class ship. Huuuummm what should it be called? I know we could call it a.....BATTLESHIP.

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Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
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#37 - 2012-05-01 21:51:30 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
BB 72 Loiusana I think was to be the name of ours but it was cancelled. It thoery it would be a nice ship to have to bad it doesnt have enough control links for all of her missiles.

^ I like Arsenal Ship

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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#38 - 2012-05-01 21:58:38 UTC
Gogela wrote:
I'm surprised that never came into being too... here's the US version. France and the UK were toying with the idea too...

Cruise destroyer. With the new launcher models, could be fun (or wildly imbalanced...)

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Dheeradj Nurgle
Hoover Inc.
Snuffed Out
#39 - 2012-05-01 22:18:19 UTC
Mirrodin wrote:
[quote=Weaselior]

What would be the actual *role* of this ship?



Glass Cannons, Glass Cannons everywhere..... I'm seriously considering getting a Tier3 Cruiser fleet up O.o
Fannie Maes
Doomheim
#40 - 2012-05-01 22:22:41 UTC
Dheeradj Nurgle wrote:
Mirrodin wrote:
[quote=Weaselior]

What would be the actual *role* of this ship?



Glass Cannons, Glass Cannons everywhere..... I'm seriously considering getting a Tier3 Cruiser fleet up O.o


I recommend a massive fleet of Oracles with tachyons and zero tank. Should be fitted for maxium track, dmg and range then you lock that frigate in 3sec and click f1 and so forth...
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