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@CCP - breach of national laws

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#41 - 2012-05-01 14:14:48 UTC
Jowen Datloran wrote:
Internet lawyers...

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Serene Repose
#42 - 2012-05-01 14:36:49 UTC
Armchair lawyers are SO very amusing. All the "whatabouts?" are covered in the statutes involved.
There is no opinion other than a judge's.

Try tossing around "expectation of privacy" for a few megabytes.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Metal Icarus
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#43 - 2012-05-01 14:54:22 UTC
free intel with no work involved nice. Wish local could work as good.

This is so bullshit its broken IMO. Alliance leaders should be the only ones able to post alliance mails in their API's.

INB4 alliances creating encrypted mails and CODE-BREAKING ACTUALLY BECOMES A SKILL
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#44 - 2012-05-01 15:01:36 UTC
malaire wrote:
Aiwha wrote:
You can exclude EVE mails from your API key.

He wants to control what other players can use their personal API keys for.




Ah, so he doesn't want people to reveal mails that he sent to them?

I see.


Well since the OP is hopless I'm going to pack it in and declare this a Zamboni thread.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.
seany1212
M Y S T
#45 - 2012-05-01 15:07:09 UTC  |  Edited by: seany1212
Metal Icarus wrote:
free intel with no work involved nice. Wish local could work as good.

This is so bullshit its broken IMO. Alliance leaders should be the only ones able to post alliance mails in their API's.

INB4 alliances creating encrypted mails and CODE-BREAKING ACTUALLY BECOMES A SKILL


They can be, it generally requires the communication officer role in order to post alliance mails, what the OP wants is to basically select what mails certain people receive (spais) but theirs nothing stopping spais copy/pastea into internet webpages and it doesn't breach international laws, you press send, the mail becomes CCP property.

EDIT: encrypted mails would be so cool, "the bird has flown the nest" loooool
Amsterdam Conversations
Doomheim
#46 - 2012-05-01 15:09:09 UTC
Thanks to you, me and my 250 alliance mates now have access to mails of different alliances (we don't really care about anyway).
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
#47 - 2012-05-01 15:30:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Brujo Loco
Someone annoyed at leaked Alliance Mails?


Also this is not new, EVE has been decompiled and recompiled over and over again client side since the days of BACON, so figure out by yourself with this in mind, that even something like the API which is external to the client is bound to be manipulated by imaginative people willing to gain an edge by metagaming too.

Really, if you this worried about your privacy on eve, you need better recruitment policies and background checking.

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Snooood
#48 - 2012-05-01 15:40:35 UTC
Jowen Datloran wrote:
Internet lawyers...


shut up nerd
Geil Ding
Perkone
Caldari State
#49 - 2012-05-01 15:43:36 UTC
I am not a layer but a programmer with a Masters degree in Software Engineering. An important topic is "ethics". We, as programmers, are often asked to build something that is against privacy laws. Our duty is to point this out and even refuse to help with breaking the law..

In this case CCP did not, intentionaly, break any laws.. as the API was build with a good intention. But right now, parts of the API, are abused in breaking laws. CCP needs to act on this, maybe even change the API.

In almost every country it is against the law to make private information public, like mails. Nobody will go to court over this, thats for sure. I hope CCP received the message and will act upon and do the "ethical" thing.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#50 - 2012-05-01 15:47:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Aiwha wrote:

Well since the OP is hopless I'm going to pack it in and declare this a Zamboni thread.


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Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#51 - 2012-05-01 15:51:27 UTC
Geil Ding wrote:
I am not a layer but a programmer with a Masters degree in Software Engineering. An important topic is "ethics". We, as programmers, are often asked to build something that is against privacy laws. Our duty is to point this out and even refuse to help with breaking the law..

In this case CCP did not, intentionaly, break any laws.. as the API was build with a good intention. But right now, parts of the API, are abused in breaking laws. CCP needs to act on this, maybe even change the API.

In almost every country it is against the law to make private information public, like mails. Nobody will go to court over this, thats for sure. I hope CCP received the message and will act upon and do the "ethical" thing.


You sent those mails to members of your alliance. Those members are free to do what they want with those mails.
Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
#52 - 2012-05-01 15:59:55 UTC
I'd say it would be a more slippery slope if EVE as a game encouraged the use of their tools for RL , non game related communication.

If the api is less secure than free email servers maybe an additional caution to that effect and recomendation that personal conversations be taken out of game might be a nice idea ethically.

.
Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#53 - 2012-05-01 16:01:45 UTC
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
You sent those mails to members of your alliance. Those members are free to do what they want with those mails.


End thread.

Rofl internet spaceships lawyer jagoffs. So ******* dumb.
Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#54 - 2012-05-01 16:06:55 UTC
Diomedes Calypso wrote:
I'd say it would be a more slippery slope if EVE as a game encouraged the use of their tools for RL , non game related communication.

If the api is less secure than free email servers maybe an additional caution to that effect and recomendation that personal conversations be taken out of game might be a nice idea ethically.


It's not less secure though. People can only access mails that they are entitled to access, there is no breach of privacy here at all. Even if you moved all of your alliance mail to a third party mail server, the people in the alliance are still able to copy and paste that onto this website.

I'd say that the eve mail system is more secure than most mail systems because you can create 'one time (or rather one day) use' keys to access without using your username and password.
Gorki Andropov
I Dn't Knw Wht You Wnt Bt I Cn't Gve It Anymre
#55 - 2012-05-01 16:14:37 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Gorki Andropov wrote:
Likes received: 0


Says it all, really.


Oh hell when did Likes start mattering?
Or is it just to you?



Well, they started mattering the minute you found fault to pick with what I said ^^
Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
#56 - 2012-05-01 16:17:34 UTC
Geil Ding wrote:
I am not a layer but a programmer with a Masters degree in Software Engineering. An important topic is "ethics". We, as programmers, are often asked to build something that is against privacy laws. Our duty is to point this out and even refuse to help with breaking the law..

In this case CCP did not, intentionaly, break any laws.. as the API was build with a good intention. But right now, parts of the API, are abused in breaking laws. CCP needs to act on this, maybe even change the API.

In almost every country it is against the law to make private information public, like mails. Nobody will go to court over this, thats for sure. I hope CCP received the message and will act upon and do the "ethical" thing.



Better call Saul!
Geil Ding
Perkone
Caldari State
#57 - 2012-05-01 16:18:13 UTC
If a player would copy/paste the mail themselves then it their problem, CCP did not help them doing so.

Also, the receiver of a mail is not entitled to make the mail public without consent of the sender. Imagine the government to make everything public what was send to them, like letters, tax submissions, etc. Or a doctor who would make everything public about his patients, I mean.. he is free to share everything was is being shared with him, right? Wrong, it is all against the law.

feel free to read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_privacy
SpaceSquirrels
#58 - 2012-05-01 16:20:36 UTC  |  Edited by: SpaceSquirrels
1. It's an in game mail system
2. Spam mail sent to lots of members
3. It's not stealing if they send it to you. (Or reasonable expectation of privacy)

4. Go sue them or nothing will change.

(your doctor law AKA HIPAA here in the U.S) is not allowed to give out patient info unless consent was granted... That's not the same as getting mail sent to you and you the person then sharing it.) Lets say your doctor send your results back... You can do whatever the hell you want not them..

However we're not ******* doctors or professionals are we? Were playing a video game...
Internet Lawyer Steve
Doomheim
#59 - 2012-05-01 16:21:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Internet Lawyer Steve
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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#60 - 2012-05-01 16:22:01 UTC
Oh snap, the wiki links are being brought out now.

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