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@CCP - breach of national laws

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Geil Ding
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-05-01 08:54:43 UTC
I think many have seen www.eveskunk.com by now. An API from a player is (ab)used to show alliance mails on a website for everybody to see. But this is against many national laws, privacy laws to be exact. The problem could correct itself if the sender of the mail has an option to exclude the mail from the API, but there is no such option.

My question to CCP, will the API be changed and the alliance and corp mails removed from the API? Torrent site aren't downloading the content themselfs, but facilitate it.. So is CCP, not sending the mails to website like www.eveskunk.com but CCP does facilitate it.
Shian Yang
#2 - 2012-05-01 08:59:45 UTC
Greetings capsuleer,

I wish to applaud you for raising an issue of privacy by pointing a group of people directly at said breach of privacy. Not once, but twice.

Regards,

Shian Yang
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-05-01 09:07:07 UTC
Aren't alliance mails those things sent to dozens of anonymous strangers at the same time?

"You acknowledge and agree that you have no expectation of privacy regarding communications you make in the Game, whether through private in-Game messaging, during chat, or in chat rooms."

Looks like you agreed already
Nirnias Stirrum
UberWTFBBQ and Battle Technologies
#4 - 2012-05-01 09:16:05 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD LoneLynx
Geil Ding wrote:
I think many have seen www.eveskunk.com by now. An API from a player is (ab)used to show alliance mails on a website for everybody to see. But this is against many national laws, privacy laws to be exact. The problem could correct itself if the sender of the mail has an option to exclude the mail from the API, but there is no such option.

My question to CCP, will the API be changed and the alliance and corp mails removed from the API? Torrent site aren't downloading the content themselfs, but facilitate it.. So is CCP, not sending the mails to website like www.eveskunk.com but CCP does facilitate it.



This is true... but its a good thing that Eve is just a game (you know its just a game right?...right?) and not bound by international laws... I will finish with this appropriate ASCII picture:

*snip* - ASCII art - ISD LoneLynx
Spymaster Bates
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-05-01 09:22:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Spymaster Bates
Geil Ding wrote:
I think many have seen www.eveskunk.com by now. An API from a player is (ab)used to show alliance mails on a website for everybody to see. But this is against many national laws, privacy laws to be exact. The problem could correct itself if the sender of the mail has an option to exclude the mail from the API, but there is no such option.

My question to CCP, will the API be changed and the alliance and corp mails removed from the API? Torrent site aren't downloading the content themselfs, but facilitate it.. So is CCP, not sending the mails to website like www.eveskunk.com but CCP does facilitate it.



Hi,

I'd like to address something important here. The API's here aren't farmed or stolen, they are from active agents or API's given consentually. If you are mad about your alliance being infiltrated then have better recruitment standards.

Twitter - @eveskunk

malaire
#6 - 2012-05-01 09:34:39 UTC
Spymaster Bates wrote:
I'd like to address something important here. The API's here aren't farmed or stolen, they are from active agents or API's given consentually. If you are mad about your alliance being infiltrated then have better recruitment standards.

Exactly. Why would any law prohibit publishing a message which was specifically sent to you?

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Geil Ding
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-05-01 09:45:01 UTC
The source of the API's could also be from players who left corp x to join corp y where corp x uses the API.. but thats for the player to fix.. delete the old API and make a new one.

But this case mails send by others are made public. Also the EULA is intended for use inside EvE and CCP, not a third party website. But it aint the mails through an API that is a problem, but the sending party is no option at all.. they have no option to exclude the sended mail from the API.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#8 - 2012-05-01 09:46:57 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Aren't alliance mails those things sent to dozens of anonymous strangers at the same time?

"You acknowledge and agree that you have no expectation of privacy regarding communications you make in the Game, whether through private in-Game messaging, during chat, or in chat rooms."

Looks like you agreed already


Agreeing to a contract doesn't automatically make the terms contained therein legal.

As for Evemails, who cares? If you don't want them read, don't give out an API key that provides access to them.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#9 - 2012-05-01 09:48:31 UTC
As soon as I saw your name I already decided to discard any comments from you as being totally irrelevant.
Rajan Marelona
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2012-05-01 09:52:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Rajan Marelona
Geil Ding wrote:
The source of the API's could also be from players who left corp x to join corp y where corp x uses the API.

Are you complete moron ? No it can not. API is for character not for corp. If player left, API useless for spying.

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But this case mails send by others are made public.

Mail is from character who is still inside the corp by infiltrate and who willingly give API.
He receives the mail, he can do whatever he wants with mail.
If he is not using API, he can crtlc-ctrl-v manuall.

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it aint the mails through an API that is a problem, but the sending party is no option at all.. they have no option to exclude the sended mail from the API.

Yes you have option - find spy and kick out.
So who cares.
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
#11 - 2012-05-01 09:55:00 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD LoneLynx
Nirnias Stirrum wrote:
Geil Ding wrote:
I think many have seen www.eveskunk.com by now. An API from a player is (ab)used to show alliance mails on a website for everybody to see. But this is against many national laws, privacy laws to be exact. The problem could correct itself if the sender of the mail has an option to exclude the mail from the API, but there is no such option.

My question to CCP, will the API be changed and the alliance and corp mails removed from the API? Torrent site aren't downloading the content themselfs, but facilitate it.. So is CCP, not sending the mails to website like www.eveskunk.com but CCP does facilitate it.



This is true... but its a good thing that Eve is just a game and not bound by international laws... I will finish with this appropriate ASCII picture:

*snip* - ASCII art - ISD LoneLynx


She's got the hair cut for it.

WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place...

seany1212
M Y S T
#12 - 2012-05-01 10:03:13 UTC
Geil Ding wrote:
I think many have seen www.eveskunk.com by now. An API from a player is (ab)used to show alliance mails on a website for everybody to see. But this is against many national laws, privacy laws to be exact. The problem could correct itself if the sender of the mail has an option to exclude the mail from the API, but there is no such option.

My question to CCP, will the API be changed and the alliance and corp mails removed from the API? Torrent site aren't downloading the content themselfs, but facilitate it.. So is CCP, not sending the mails to website like www.eveskunk.com but CCP does facilitate it.


LOL tard, everything in Eve is CCPs property, every mail sent is CCP property, no laws broken, don't like it, contract me your stuffs before you go Lol
Luis Graca
#13 - 2012-05-01 10:05:18 UTC
btw you do now that this site wasn't made by CCP?
seany1212
M Y S T
#14 - 2012-05-01 10:08:53 UTC
Luis Graca wrote:
btw you do now that this site wasn't made by CCP?


But is copyrighted towards them even if it wasn't and they have the rights to use of it and anything that goes on within it Roll
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#15 - 2012-05-01 10:09:24 UTC
I would be interested to hear which laws you are blathering about.

Seeing as an in game email does not show any personal information that can identify a RL person.

Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-05-01 10:14:44 UTC
Internet lawyers...

Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook 

Luis Graca
#17 - 2012-05-01 10:15:53 UTC
seany1212 wrote:
Luis Graca wrote:
btw you do now that this site wasn't made by CCP?


But is copyrighted towards them even if it wasn't and they have the rights to use of it and anything that goes on within it Roll


If you think thats the case CCP doesn't have anything to do either is the player that actually is giving the information cause de API is given to him and to him alone, if he share it's is fault

It's like if you give is E-mail (out of the game) password is your fault something happens not the server were it's hosted
Spymaster Bates
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-05-01 10:18:42 UTC
10 billion isk. I will stop publishing your alliance mails.

Otherwise understand that regardless if mails are posted on eveskunk or manually posted to my intel mailbox I still have access to all the information.

So, to repeat my point and end this discussion.

Your mails are public information, free to share and to use by those they are sent to. If you don't like what my spies are sharing, find him and burn him. Then, before you recruit anyone new, do a proper background check on people you accept into corp.

Twitter - @eveskunk

Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-05-01 10:21:01 UTC
Jowen Datloran wrote:
Internet lawyers...
seany1212
M Y S T
#20 - 2012-05-01 10:28:18 UTC
Luis Graca wrote:
seany1212 wrote:
Luis Graca wrote:
btw you do now that this site wasn't made by CCP?


But is copyrighted towards them even if it wasn't and they have the rights to use of it and anything that goes on within it Roll


If you think thats the case CCP doesn't have anything to do either is the player that actually is giving the information cause de API is given to him and to him alone, if he share it's is fault

It's like if you give is E-mail (out of the game) password is your fault something happens not the server were it's hosted


When will you understand whenever someone sends an Eve mail that its CCP property... You choose to use CCPs services (Eve, Eve mail, etc.) and you signed an EULA to say that everything used within the Eve mail system becomes CCP property, if you feel personal information has been breached send a petition until then, you better start using that Hotmail/yahoo/googlemail/AOL/etc. account of yours Lol
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