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What can tank pocket 3 world's collide when solo
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Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2012-04-25 23:01:56 UTC
I run a maelstrom with a rack of AC's

Theres some tank but most of it melts before i get too busy with the shield rep cycles.

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Katja Faith
Doomheim
#42 - 2012-04-25 23:19:14 UTC
Do whatever the cheat thread on Eve Survival tells you to do, silly!
ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#43 - 2012-04-25 23:51:18 UTC
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
Im in a Rattlesnake with a normally like 700 dps tank (I tend to find if I have a 400 dps tank like ppl say you should have for 4s it gets ripped through in short order slo I deal with being overtanked).

I got World's Collide lvl 4 and I read in eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=WorldsCollide4ansa that pocket 3 pushes 1300-1500 dps. Shocked

What tanks that? What fir for my ship or what ship am I looking for TO tank that?


LOL, well the lowest ships I have done it in is the arbitrator and caracal, but i usually use the gila. If you can't figure out how simple it is to tank missions, watch the view I posted to prove how easy t1 cruisers can tank l4 missions, you can find them at YouTube under the username hikari2763.

With a faction ship like a gila it should be a real snooze to do wc4
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Doomheim
#44 - 2012-04-26 00:07:43 UTC
Katja Faith wrote:
Do whatever the cheat thread on Eve Survival tells you to do, silly!


Didnt know being well informed was considered cheating...

Does that make using scouts in 0.0 cheating too?

Big smile

Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Doomheim
#45 - 2012-04-29 00:04:15 UTC
lol ran into room 2 WC

my friend aggroed the whole room by accident, I picked it up when he left, and dropped to 30% shields when I made it out

He's in a Dominix doing all the dps basically

[Rattlesnake, proof against fools]

4x Cruise Missile Launcher II (Scourge Fury Cruise Missile)
2x Drone Link Augmentor II

2x Large Shield Extender II
3x Shield Recharger II
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II

6x Shield Power Relay II

3x Large Core Defense Field Purger II

5x Ogre II

They broke 1600 dps lol

[Statistics - Richard Aiel]

Effective HP: 93,257 (Eve: 71,199)
Tank Ability: 1,602.11 DPS
Damage Profile - Sanshas Nation (EM: 59.83%, Ex: 0.00%, Ki: 7.98%, Th: 32.19%)
Shield Resists - EM: 64.00%, Ex: 60.00%, Ki: 52.00%, Th: 63.60%
Armor Resists - EM: 50.00%, Ex: 10.00%, Ki: 25.00%, Th: 45.00%

Capacitor (Stable at 58.94%)


Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#46 - 2012-04-29 03:32:59 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
lol ran into room 2 WC

my friend aggroed the whole room by accident, I picked it up when he left, and dropped to 30% shields when I made it out

He's in a Dominix doing all the dps basically

[Rattlesnake, proof against fools]

4x Cruise Missile Launcher II (Scourge Fury Cruise Missile)
2x Drone Link Augmentor II

2x Large Shield Extender II
3x Shield Recharger II
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II

6x Shield Power Relay II

3x Large Core Defense Field Purger II

5x Ogre II

They broke 1600 dps lol

[Statistics - Richard Aiel]

Effective HP: 93,257 (Eve: 71,199)
Tank Ability: 1,602.11 DPS
Damage Profile - Sanshas Nation (EM: 59.83%, Ex: 0.00%, Ki: 7.98%, Th: 32.19%)
Shield Resists - EM: 64.00%, Ex: 60.00%, Ki: 52.00%, Th: 63.60%
Armor Resists - EM: 50.00%, Ex: 10.00%, Ki: 25.00%, Th: 45.00%

Capacitor (Stable at 58.94%)




Fix your Mids. If you do, you'll have around a 2400 DPS tank vs Sansha. (Hint: I can't think of a single good fit that uses shield rechargers in the mids). Mind you, there is no way you need more than a ~600 DPS tank, but your mids are terrible anyway.

Oh, and what kind of DPS are you putting out. Combined and separated into Missile DPS and Drone DPS.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Alexa Coates
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2012-04-29 03:34:23 UTC
1500 dps? I've never had a problem with any ship in that room, even when i first started soloing. Now, pocket 2 with full aggro, either side, is what i have problems with.

That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.
Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#48 - 2012-04-29 23:45:02 UTC
Used to do them with 2 Drakes...............lol
Now i do them in two Tengu's.............
Aggressive Nutmeg
#49 - 2012-04-30 01:58:56 UTC
The Drake is pretty safe - actually for all missions. But pretty slow as others have said.

Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#50 - 2012-04-30 02:16:06 UTC
Aggressive Nutmeg wrote:
The Drake is pretty safe - actually for all missions. But pretty slow as others have said.


The Rattlesnake tanks better and puts out more DPS than a drake. At this point I'm mostly curious as to exactly why OP is failing so miserably at this mission.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Doomheim
#51 - 2012-04-30 08:19:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Sigurd Sig Hansen
RubyPorto wrote:
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
lol ran into room 2 WC

my friend aggroed the whole room by accident, I picked it up when he left, and dropped to 30% shields when I made it out

He's in a Dominix doing all the dps basically

[Rattlesnake, proof against fools]

4x Cruise Missile Launcher II (Scourge Fury Cruise Missile)
2x Drone Link Augmentor II

2x Large Shield Extender II
3x Shield Recharger II
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II

6x Shield Power Relay II

3x Large Core Defense Field Purger II

5x Ogre II

They broke 1600 dps lol

[Statistics - Richard Aiel]

Effective HP: 93,257 (Eve: 71,199)
Tank Ability: 1,602.11 DPS
Damage Profile - Sanshas Nation (EM: 59.83%, Ex: 0.00%, Ki: 7.98%, Th: 32.19%)
Shield Resists - EM: 64.00%, Ex: 60.00%, Ki: 52.00%, Th: 63.60%
Armor Resists - EM: 50.00%, Ex: 10.00%, Ki: 25.00%, Th: 45.00%

Capacitor (Stable at 58.94%)




Fix your Mids. If you do, you'll have around a 2400 DPS tank vs Sansha. (Hint: I can't think of a single good fit that uses shield rechargers in the mids). Mind you, there is no way you need more than a ~600 DPS tank, but your mids are terrible anyway.

Oh, and what kind of DPS are you putting out. Combined and separated into Missile DPS and Drone DPS.


How do you tank 1600+ dps with 600 dps tank?
I was taking 1600 or so when dumbass pulled pocket two and I got out at 30% shields. they were doing more than I could handle even moving at full speed (as slow as that is) lol
and Im more the tank. the guy in the Domi is running with almost no tank and all DPS

what would you put in the mids?
Best I was looking at 1500 omni
Im only doing like 400-500 with drones 503.65 according to EVEHQ
As for the fit, Im just running with the one posted a few paged back.

RubyPorto wrote:
Aggressive Nutmeg wrote:
The Drake is pretty safe - actually for all missions. But pretty slow as others have said.


The Rattlesnake tanks better and puts out more DPS than a drake. At this point I'm mostly curious as to exactly why OP is failing so miserably at this mission.


Disnt know I was anymore given that Ive completed it like 4 times now

Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#52 - 2012-04-30 08:29:00 UTC
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:


How do you tank 1600+ dps with 600 dps tank?
I was taking 1600 or so when dumbass pulled pocket two and I got out at 30% shields. they were doing more than I could handle even moving at full speed (as slow as that is) lol
and Im more the tank. the guy in the Domi is running with almost no tank and all DPS
Im only doing like 400-500 with drones 503.65 according to EVEHQ
As for the fit, Im just running with the one posted a few paged back.


You tank 1600 dps with a 600 dps tank by learning to trigger the spawns when you're ready for them or knocking the DPS down faster than your tank is breaking. Also, your tank on a passive tank is not broken until you are below peak recharge (25%) shields, so it wasn't 1600 dps incoming.

You still need to fix your mids. Rechargers don't belong anywhere, and 2 resist mods is nowhere near enough to patch the EM hole on your ship. If you still want to go for max tank, 2 LSEs and the rest EM and Therm hardeners (Change Hardeners based on opposing faction, ofc).

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RubyPorto wrote:
Aggressive Nutmeg wrote:
The Drake is pretty safe - actually for all missions. But pretty slow as others have said.


The Rattlesnake tanks better and puts out more DPS than a drake. At this point I'm mostly curious as to exactly why OP is failing so miserably at this mission.


Disnt know I was anymore given that Ive completed it like 4 times now


You were getting chased off of a mission in a Rattlesnake with T2 Purger Rigs. While you had DPS support. That's some hardcore fail. Luckily, you've come here where I will offer you decent-good advice as I mock you.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Doomheim
#53 - 2012-04-30 08:39:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Sigurd Sig Hansen
RubyPorto wrote:


You were getting chased off of a mission in a Rattlesnake with T2 Purger Rigs. While you had DPS support. That's some hardcore fail. Luckily, you've come here where I will offer you decent-good advice as I mock you.



I WAS having issue at the start of the thread... before I found a fit to use

Ah see I didnt see the T2 rigs in the fit lol
yeah I dont have those first off.

It wasnt till one time like three days ago when I was being remote repped and I was doing fine there. I took most of my tank off in fact to do more dps

The dude in the Dominix is usually DPSSing not remote repping anyways
The only time he WAS remote repping me was after we jumped out when he warped into the room and it sent him into stuff that aggroed the whole pocket.
Thats not exactly controllable as far as I know. So one he warped in and drew all that aggro he jumped out, leaving me with the whole room. He came back in to DPS and yea we were chased off.

[Rattlesnake, proof against fools]

4x Cruise Missile Launcher II (Scourge Fury Cruise Missile)
2x Drone Link Augmentor II

2x Large Shield Extender II
3x EM Ward Amplifier II
2x Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II

6x Shield Power Relay II

3x Large Core Defense Field Purger I

5x Ogre I
5x Hammerhead II

yah I copy/pasta failed the fit is why :p been looking at it with rigs I dont even have
Gotta stop being on the forums at 4 am

Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game
Borgone Susa
S.H.I.E.L.D Corporation
#54 - 2012-04-30 11:20:12 UTC
dont use the rattlesnake to "actively" do missions, as mentioned there are way better and cheaper options out there. But the Rattlesnake does AFK missioning better than any other ship in the game, and that i how you should use it.

[Rattlesnake, Serpentis]
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System
Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System

Gist X-Type Thermic Dissipation Field
Gist X-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Gist X-Type Thermic Dissipation Field
Drone Navigation Computer II
Drone Navigation Computer II
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Core C-Type 100MN MicroWarpdrive

Salvager II
Salvager II
Small Tractor Beam II
Small Tractor Beam II
Rocket Launcher II, Mjolnir Rocket
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Core Defense Field Purger II
Large Core Defense Field Purger II
Large Core Defense Field Purger II


Wasp II x5
Wasp I x10
Hornet II x5

this will tank all serpentis missions with full room aggro, while the drones kills the rats. It wont be fast, but you dont have to do anything either! watch TV, play on your pvp alt or whatever you feel like, and when a pocket/mission is done, do it again. This works for all rat types, just switch hardeners and drones accordingly. with a few exceptions:

Buzz kill and angel extravanza because of drone aggro
against sansha, mercenaries and pirate invasion you will need 4 hardeners to be sure
not tested in most storylines
not tested in the new scarlet mission
i dont do faction missions, dont know how it works in them
your blood raider fit will need to have passive hardeners and a LSE, because of neuting
i have perfect skills for this ship (low skills->more hardeners and maybe cap)
and some stuff i might have forgotten

the golden rule being never do the mission afk the first time. you have alot of mids and fitting space for tweaking your fit (like massive attack, i like to have a fit with 2 sebos and an extra drone link, because of the distance to the rats) the mwd is rarely used, worlds collide being one of the exceptions. you dont need the small drones for anything, there is just room for them, heavies can kill anything even interceptors and spider drones (the omnilink helps, but isnt needed)

the entire fit, with hardeners for all rat types will cost around 2.5b isk. the Gila can almost do the same but for a fraction of the price if money is a problem. Dominix and ishtar can be used for some rats, but the pirate ships are better all around, rattlesnake being the only one i have been able to take on all rats with.

so if you are tired of doing the same missions over and over and over again, this is my suggestion. i have tried blitzing in a mach and it is very effective, but boring nonetheless. missioning in eve is more knowing the mission than what ship you are using. its easy to switch your fit, use it! and the obvious, eve survival is your friend
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#55 - 2012-04-30 14:36:19 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
tengu does it very easily.
tho, so does a rattlesnake if youre not a moron...


THIS is the attitude I HATE in the game.

Even my 5 year Alliance Leader learns something new everyday, still.

Moron.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#56 - 2012-04-30 18:27:02 UTC
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:


You were getting chased off of a mission in a Rattlesnake with T2 Purger Rigs. While you had DPS support. That's some hardcore fail. Luckily, you've come here where I will offer you decent-good advice as I mock you.



I WAS having issue at the start of the thread... before I found a fit to use

Ah see I didnt see the T2 rigs in the fit lol
yeah I dont have those first off.

It wasnt till one time like three days ago when I was being remote repped and I was doing fine there. I took most of my tank off in fact to do more dps

The dude in the Dominix is usually DPSSing not remote repping anyways
The only time he WAS remote repping me was after we jumped out when he warped into the room and it sent him into stuff that aggroed the whole pocket.
Thats not exactly controllable as far as I know. So one he warped in and drew all that aggro he jumped out, leaving me with the whole room. He came back in to DPS and yea we were chased off.

[Rattlesnake, proof against fools]

4x Cruise Missile Launcher II (Scourge Fury Cruise Missile)
2x Drone Link Augmentor II

2x Large Shield Extender II
3x EM Ward Amplifier II
2x Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II

6x Shield Power Relay II

3x Large Core Defense Field Purger I

5x Ogre I
5x Hammerhead II

yah I copy/pasta failed the fit is why :p been looking at it with rigs I dont even have
Gotta stop being on the forums at 4 am


With that tank, you should be able to handle full room aggro for long enough to kill everything. Remember, your tank isn't broken until you're below 25% shields. Anyway, looks like you've got your fitting issues fixed.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Spineker
#57 - 2012-05-01 00:15:52 UTC
Room 2 serp is far more dangerous if you don't pay attention. The webbers can be a pain and use to scram but dont think they do anymore.
Masamune Dekoro
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#58 - 2012-05-01 03:07:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Masamune Dekoro
[Rattlesnake, Rattler]
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Gistum C-Type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier
Federation Navy Tracking Link
Federation Navy Tracking Link

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Core Defense Field Purger I
Large Core Defense Field Purger I
Large Core Defense Field Purger I


Garde II x5
Warden II x5
Hobgoblins x5
Hammerhead x5

Not overtanked for this situation, swap out the Kinetic deflection amplifier when you deal with the serpentis half of the mission. Pretty stress free imo. Wardens + the two DLAs + Tracking links make the first pocket easy; Gardes will take care of the rest for you. Other than that, just manage aggro as the eve survival guide directs.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#59 - 2012-05-01 09:35:18 UTC
Masamune Dekoro wrote:


Not overtanked for this situation, swap out the Kinetic deflection amplifier when you deal with the serpentis half of the mission. Pretty stress free imo. Wardens + the two DLAs + Tracking links make the first pocket easy; Gardes will take care of the rest for you. Other than that, just manage aggro as the eve survival guide directs.


Correct, it's probably under-tanked, since he's doing the Angel/Sansha WC.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Masamune Dekoro
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#60 - 2012-05-01 22:29:10 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Masamune Dekoro wrote:


Not overtanked for this situation, swap out the Kinetic deflection amplifier when you deal with the serpentis half of the mission. Pretty stress free imo. Wardens + the two DLAs + Tracking links make the first pocket easy; Gardes will take care of the rest for you. Other than that, just manage aggro as the eve survival guide directs.


Correct, it's probably under-tanked, since he's doing the Angel/Sansha WC.


Oops... Well, I'm sure he's smart enough to swap out one itty bitty specific hardener.