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Amazing roleplaying donrt understand the negativity

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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#61 - 2012-04-30 23:48:10 UTC
Amanda Holland wrote:


Note: I never said "mittani did no wrong, he never should have been punished."
I said I dont get all the outrage after the apology (which even HE says he was out of character FOR). He aplogised. He was going to step down from the CSM. REMOVING him from the CSM THEN banning him for 30 days was far and above what was called for in this situation. The ONLY reason that happened was because the gaming press got the wrong facts (or lied) about the original story and so badly blew up the fake story that they went back and corrected it under pressure (pressure that the editor at massively for one called in itself cyberbullying). Mittani's real life info was leaked, his address was leaked, he's tagged as a cyberbully now, all for an off the cuff, stupid, drunken, mistake.

When is the permaban of the guy that leaked Mittani's info coming? Thats the usual response for THAT infraction by CCP.


Well, I understand that people thinking the punishment was over-done. However it would have been the same for any situation. Normally, CCP would never know about it unless the person who was directed against filed a petition. An apology cannot bypass a rules violation simply because there is no way to verify sincere remorse or an attempt to bypass the judgement. Receiving a ban from what I gather does mean you cannot serve on CSM for reasons in whatever the document that CSM have to agree to. Really I couldn't see it going any other way and when the whole issue started, is pretty much what I saw happening. From the start I expected 30 days ish and such meaning could not CSM. Not based on any news article, or what somebody at some e-magazine I never read, but straight up from watching the stream and doing the epic facepalm at his actions.

I cannot comment on the news stories, but what I read seemed fairly accurate to the situation, aside from sensationalizing the term of cyberbullying. From a legal sense we discussed it and in most cases, the legal jargon could actually have what happened as criminal actions. Actually in Icelandic law what happened is against their criminal code. The law cannot differentiate between sarcasm and serious because of the potential for sarcastic comments to have serious results. 99% of the time, suicidal statements could be bogus, but in better concience we should always be aware of the 1% and act accordingly. This does not mean change the game play for them, but be more concious of comments and followup actions.

Lastly it is tough to comment on the releasing of private info. Outside of the real name, I do not know any part of it that was released publicly by an individual. Actions that could relate to release of a real name couldn't be enforced because it was information that was previously released to be made known by Mittani himself from what I gather. If somebody re-iterated it, that could not be acted upon unless there was some sort of request/discussion prior to the fact with the specific individual that I don't know about. His address part, I have no idea who released that, in which case that is the legal realm outside of eve and until any legal issues are dealt with, we will not be hearing about them. First thing about legal cases is not to discuss them outside of trials until completed.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Amanda Holland
Doomheim
#62 - 2012-05-01 03:37:43 UTC
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thx fer not locking it instead

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Amanda Holland
Doomheim
#63 - 2012-05-01 03:52:36 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Just two comments and a question:

#1 He wasn't role-playing.

#2 He wasn't role-playing.

Q1 Do you know what role-playing means?



firstly, Im assuming you dont RP often cause one of the easiest ways to **** off someone that does is to tell them theyre not RPing the character they made and developed "the right way". YOU dont know how to RP MY character and all.

in basics
um lemme think... playing a character that is not you

in specifics
While simple forms of role-playing exist in traditional children's games of make believe, role-playing games add a level of sophistication and persistence to this basic idea with additions such as game facilitators and rules of interaction. Participants in a role-playing game will generate specific characters and an ongoing plot. A consistent system of rules and a more or less realistic campaign setting in games aids suspension of disbelief. The level of realism in games ranges from just enough internal consistency to set up a believable story or credible challenge up to full-blown simulations of real-world processes.

it also depends on what type youre talking about as this kind of covers two

this isnt one covered its just an example:
Quote:
Tabletop
A tabletop RPG
Main article: Tabletop role-playing game

Tabletop or pen-and-paper (PnP) RPGs are conducted through discussion in a small social gathering. The GM describes the game world and its inhabitants. The other players describe the intended actions of their characters, and the GM describes the outcomes.Some outcomes are determined by the game system, and some are chosen by the GM.

This is the format in which role-playing games were first popularized. The first commercially available RPG, Dungeons & Dragons (D&D), was inspired by fantasy literature and the wargaming hobby and was published in 1974. The popularity of D&D led to the birth of the tabletop role-playing game industry, which publishes games with many different themes, rules, and styles of play.

This format is often referred to simply as a role-playing game. To distinguish this form of RPG from other formats, the retronyms tabletop role-playing game or pen and paper role-playing game are sometimes used, though neither a table nor pen and paper are strictly necessary.


more to the point here tho:
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Live action
Main article: Live action role-playing game
A fantasy LARP group


Or Fanfest when playing as the larger than life "THE MITTANI" evil spaceship king guy - pre comments he already got punished for and why the slides he prepared were OKed by CCP

Quote:

A LARP is played more like improvisational theatre. Participants act out their characters' actions instead of describing them, and the real environment is used to represent the imaginary setting of the game world. Players are often costumed as their characters and use appropriate props, and the venue may be decorated to resemble the fictional setting. Some live action role-playing games use rock-paper-scissors or comparison of attributes to resolve conflicts symbolically, while other LARPs use physical combat with simulated arms such as airsoft guns or foam weapons.

LARPs vary in size from a handful of players to several thousand, and in duration from a couple of hours to several days. Because the number of players in a LARP is usually larger than in a tabletop role-playing game, and the players may be interacting in separate physical spaces, there is typically less of an emphasis on tightly maintaining a narrative or directly entertaining the players, and game sessions are often managed in a more distributed manner.


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Massively multi-player online role-playing games (MMORPGs) combine the large-scale social interaction and persistent world of MUDs with graphic interfaces. Most MMORPGs do not actively promote in-character role-playing, however players can use the games' communication functions to role-play so long as other players cooperate. The majority of players in MMORPGs do not engage in role-play in this sense.
- that last bit being why I was surprised there was such a strong community here for this at all

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Amanda Holland
Doomheim
#64 - 2012-05-01 03:54:58 UTC
also...

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Role-playing video games (commonly referred to as role-playing games or RPGs) are a video game genre where the player controls a character, and lives as this character when immersed in a fictional world.

Somewhat applies here

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though superficially similar, MMORPGs lend their appeal more to the socializing influences of being online with hundreds or even thousands of other players at a time, and trace their origins more from MUDs than from CRPGs like Ultima and Wizardry. Rather than focusing on the "old school" considerations of memorizing huge numbers of stats and esoterica and battling it out in complex, tactical environments, players instead spend much of their time forming and maintaining guilds, corps and clans. The distinction between CRPGs and MMORPGs and MUDs can as a result be very sharp, likenable to the difference between "attending a renaissance fair and reading a good fantasy novel"

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EVE Stig
Doomheim
#65 - 2012-05-01 03:58:15 UTC  |  Edited by: EVE Stig
Markus Reese wrote:
Amanda Holland wrote:


Note: I never said "mittani did no wrong, he never should have been punished."
I said I dont get all the outrage after the apology (which even HE says he was out of character FOR). He aplogised. He was going to step down from the CSM. REMOVING him from the CSM THEN banning him for 30 days was far and above what was called for in this situation. The ONLY reason that happened was because the gaming press got the wrong facts (or lied) about the original story and so badly blew up the fake story that they went back and corrected it under pressure (pressure that the editor at massively for one called in itself cyberbullying). Mittani's real life info was leaked, his address was leaked, he's tagged as a cyberbully now, all for an off the cuff, stupid, drunken, mistake.

When is the permaban of the guy that leaked Mittani's info coming? Thats the usual response for THAT infraction by CCP.


Well, I understand that people thinking the punishment was over-done. However it would have been the same for any situation.


Do you truly think that if any random jackoff in EVE were to find a person susceptible to this and they were to then use their corp and contacts (not even on live streaming internet) to try and get the guy to off himself all youd get was a 30 day ban? Yeah, no. Youd get a permaban. Mitens got off light cause he has friends in high places.

Markus Reese wrote:


Lastly it is tough to comment on the releasing of private info. Outside of the real name, I do not know any part of it that was released publicly by an individual. Actions that could relate to release of a real name couldn't be enforced because it was information that was previously released to be made known by Mittani himself from what I gather. If somebody re-iterated it, that could not be acted upon unless there was some sort of request/discussion prior to the fact with the specific individual that I don't know about. His address part, I have no idea who released that, in which case that is the legal realm outside of eve and until any legal issues are dealt with, we will not be hearing about them. First thing about legal cases is not to discuss them outside of trials until completed.


Ya, you really cant get pissed at giving out his real name (I like that whole ANGLE it was funny) when CCP gave out his real name when he joined theCSM

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Amanda Holland
Doomheim
#66 - 2012-05-01 04:17:46 UTC
EVE Stig wrote:
Markus Reese wrote:
Amanda Holland wrote:


Note: I never said "mittani did no wrong, he never should have been punished."
I said I dont get all the outrage after the apology (which even HE says he was out of character FOR). He aplogised. He was going to step down from the CSM. REMOVING him from the CSM THEN banning him for 30 days was far and above what was called for in this situation. The ONLY reason that happened was because the gaming press got the wrong facts (or lied) about the original story and so badly blew up the fake story that they went back and corrected it under pressure (pressure that the editor at massively for one called in itself cyberbullying). Mittani's real life info was leaked, his address was leaked, he's tagged as a cyberbully now, all for an off the cuff, stupid, drunken, mistake.

When is the permaban of the guy that leaked Mittani's info coming? Thats the usual response for THAT infraction by CCP.


Well, I understand that people thinking the punishment was over-done. However it would have been the same for any situation.


Do you truly think that if any random jackoff in EVE were to find a person susceptible to this and they were to then use their corp and contacts (not even on live streaming internet) to try and get the guy to off himself all youd get was a 30 day ban? Yeah, no. Youd get a permaban. Mitens got off light cause he has friends in high places.


More tinfoil, Isle 2

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Tinfoil Dan
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#67 - 2012-05-01 04:26:29 UTC
Amanda Holland wrote:


More tinfoil, Isle 2


Yo called????

I tells yea, the whole thing has me in the chills. It was like no rules! There are no rules for this sort of stuff, the omnipitent drum bunny from the core of the earth just deals out punishment. All must Obey....

They say they have rules and policies, guidelines of punishment, but I don't believe it. If that was the case then you would be able to, I dunno, petition and request the enforcement policy.

It must be on a stone tablet where circumstances cannot be taken into account somewhere. Protected by mystic robots born from dark matter.
ISD LoneLynx
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2012-05-01 08:56:27 UTC
Locked this as another version of already discussed (and closed) thread. Yes, that one about The Mittani's apology.

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