Issues, Workarounds & Localization

Actually, I've consistently refused to take sides in this conflict. It is not my place to call accuse Damar or Bad Messenger of exploiting (They admit this themselves, so there's nothing to discuss) and it's not my place to accuse the Gallente of doing this either since I don't live in your space and see things going on. That is the job of the GM's, not the CSM. All either side can do is petition problems and let the GM's handle the matter. They are the ones that gather evidence and sort through the data, I don't have access to their data so Its never my place to say that one side is doing this or the other. I have a responsibility to remain neutral, and I've done so.

The only thing I said I'd do was ask about the status of the bug, and you guys have gotten the answer, the bug is in the queue to be fixed. My work here is done for the time being, unless CCP persists in NOT fixing the bug. If it continues after the FW expansion than it will be time for me to take action again, if no other reason than I can't wait to see the bug fixed so there's nothing to complain about anymore.

I figure if there was one stupid thing they could easily fix if they were serious about FW it would be the militia tab. I guess we'll wait until May.

WTF you are talking about? You have no data and still you accusing me about exploiting. Good way to play CSM.

Thank you for proving our point.

Damar, so childish.

That's all I need to say.

Not fixed with Escalation. I can get get other people to confirm that as well.

CCP please take a look at this. Few are playing this aspect of the game due to your neglect of this known bug.

Yesterday Gallentes removed two plexes from circulation in Kedama, at least one pilot was petitioned for it. Knowing CCP, they will not take action since gallentes were involved.

Damar, I'm surprised that you'd qoute me but then completely gloss over the entire point of what I was trying to say. Hear me out, because I think this will explain a lot.

Understand, the way most studios work, bugs like these get submitted to a live server QA team. Live QA then has to find it amidst the garbage and dupilcate bugs people submit, and send it to a QA pending box. The bug then sits there until a lead in core QA finds it and farms it out for someone to confirm. After being confirmed, the bug gets sent by QA to the bugbox of whatever team the bug needs to be fixed by. This is not always the right box...

It then sits in whatever bugbox it got sent to until someone on that team discovers it. If the bug is listed as high-priority , then they will probably see it within the day. If it's a medium or lower, then it could be a month before anyone sees it.

When it's deemed fixed by that team, it gets compiled into a build with whatever other fixes and patches are being worked on and rolled out onto an internal server. The bug then goes BACK to QA who confirms that the fix actually worked. This does not always happen...

After ALL of this, that fix remains on the internal servers until the whole build is deemed as "complete" regarding whatever milestone or sprint the various teams are working on.


So here's what I'm trying to say:

If we want to see this thing fixed, we have to make enough noise collectively to justify the community and/or live team flagging the bug as high-priority. There are two required things needed to accomplish this:

One is a clear and coherent bug report free of any information that does not directly relate to the bug itself.

You've done a good job of collecting information, so kudos for that. Polish up your steps for reproducing the bug, and log into the test server to get fraps or screenshots. It's much easier for CCP to approach fixing an issue when they have all information on what the issue is, where it occurs, and how it occurs.

Then the next thing would be to approach a relevant member of the dev staff, and ask them politely to prioritize this. It is highly likely that there is already a fix for this going into the next big patch since FW is getting overhauled.

As a side note, for the sake of ensuring the issue gets assigned to the proper staff members, I would strongly advise against making any accusations of exploiting in your bug report, and instead include that information into a SEPARATE report.

This because any such accusations will immediately cause the report to be sent to the community team, who will then sit on the issue if they can get away with it until it becomes irrelevant. Not because CCP is chosing sides, but because sitting on an issue is much easier than trying to appease angry mobs.

I tried Damar, I tried so hard to turn this thread around and steer the discussion away from your tiresome grandstanding.

I was hoping for some kind of positive result where the FW community as a whole would be able to benefit. Instead you insist on using every remotely well thought out post as your personal soapbox.

So enjoy your corner, I'm fairly sure that your efforts have made this thread radioactive. To the point that any legitimate issues which might have been solved here have likely been taken out back and buried 400 feet under the Icelandic tundra.