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Are Lv2 Security Missons too small for a Cruiser?
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Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-04-30 16:36:56 UTC
Because I just can't seem to hit those damn little Frigates with my turrets, no matter what I try. But since you apparently need a Battle Cruiser or bigger for Lv3's... what's a Cruiser to do?

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-04-30 16:41:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyron-Baktos
I believe I was doing level 2 missions in my Omen, which is a cruiser. Post your ship/fit so we can see if that is the issue.

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If you hare having problems hitting Frigates with your cruiser weapons, your skills may be an issue. Look at Trajectory Analysis and tell us what that is. You also want to make sure you are shooting them from the correct range and with the correct ammo. If you are too close to them, tracking may be the issue.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#3 - 2012-04-30 16:42:50 UTC
No, L2s should be fine in a cruiser. It is, however, a lesson in managing transversal. Medium turrets do have trouble hitting small targets. Usually you're best off kiting and picking them off at range as much as possible.

Alternatively, you can use a destroyer. For the most part they'll be able to handle whatever L2s throw at you.

What's your ship/fit?
Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-04-30 16:45:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Tor Gungnir
It is a Stabber.

High:
4xDual 180mm Auto Cannons
2xRapid Light Missile Launchers
Mid:
Capacitor Recharger
Capacitor Battery
Cruiser-sized Afterburner
Low:
Damage Control
400mm Plates
Medium Armor Repairer II
Rigs:
None....

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#5 - 2012-04-30 16:57:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Honestly, cruisers are the best hull size for L1/2 missions. Battlecruisers are better than T1 cruisers of course, but T2/T3 cruisers just eat through these. (You'll do that on occasion to get standings up)

Destroyers work nicely too, once you've got the skills to fly them well.


On your fit, drop the 400mm plate, it's useless. Drop the capacitor battery as well, and put a tracking computer there. With a tracking script in, it'll help with the frigates. You can put a capacitor power relay in the newly-freed lowslot if you like, to keep it stable. Also, a lone energized adaptive nano membrane would give better armor resists than a lone DCU, leading to a higher amount of sustained dps you can tank.

Also be sure to pick the right ammo against whatever you're shooting.


edit: Just noticed you have no rigs, either. Fix that...medium capacitor control circuits are relatively cheap and would help your fit a ton.

thhief ghabmoef
Rezig Huruta
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-04-30 17:29:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Rezig Huruta
I'm doing t2s with 650mm artillery cannons in a stabber. I have a tracking enhancer but, also, you can burn away from them to make them line up (if they get too close), to bring the transversal down to a manageable level.

On your overview, make sure you have the transversal data showing. Compare that to your tracking.

I'm nuking them from 35 KM away, though if they get close, you burn away and keep missiles on them, plus the one drone you can field.

With the bonuses I have, as well as tracking enhancers, the tracking speed of them is slightly better than 0.032.
Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-04-30 17:32:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Tor Gungnir
Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:



On your fit, drop the 400mm plate, it's useless. .


How come? It is 1.000 extra Armor. Rather good if you ask me.

As for the Damage Control; I like the Hull resistances it gives. Doesn't make damage to the hull as instantly devastating.

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-04-30 17:45:42 UTC
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:



On your fit, drop the 400mm plate, it's useless. .


How come? It is 1.000 extra Armor. Rather good if you ask me.

As for the Damage Control; I like the Hull resistances it gives. Doesn't make damage to the hull as instantly devastating.


It's useless as you don't need the protection it provides when you can use something better that you can use.
Rezig Huruta
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-04-30 17:52:52 UTC
If you are getting armor breached on your mission, you might need to reconsider your tactics.

Instead of the armor, you can increase your tracking and damage. If you don't find yourself regularly blasted down to low armor, there's really no problem.

Remember, if things go south, you can warp away.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#10 - 2012-04-30 18:46:34 UTC
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:



On your fit, drop the 400mm plate, it's useless. .


How come? It is 1.000 extra Armor. Rather good if you ask me.


it is dead weight. it makes you slower, less agile, and doesn't improve your repping or dps.

for level 2s I used a shield tanked rupture, plus it has a nice drone bay. Drones are very good for taking out frigs.

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Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-04-30 19:54:59 UTC
I see. Thanks for the input, guys.

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
drdxie
#12 - 2012-04-30 20:02:57 UTC
Just get a BC :) save you some headaches, just remember to fit a web if you going AC's. the web will even help your drones kill quicker

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Flakey Foont
#13 - 2012-04-30 20:16:54 UTC
Use mission specific armor hardeners. Use eve-survival.org to see what you need. Plate is not needed in PVE as a rule.
Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-04-30 21:12:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Tor Gungnir
Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:
Honestly, cruisers are the best hull size for L1/2 missions. Battlecruisers are better than T1 cruisers of course, but T2/T3 cruisers just eat through these. (You'll do that on occasion to get standings up)

Destroyers work nicely too, once you've got the skills to fly them well.


On your fit, drop the 400mm plate, it's useless. Drop the capacitor battery as well, and put a tracking computer there. With a tracking script in, it'll help with the frigates. You can put a capacitor power relay in the newly-freed lowslot if you like, to keep it stable. Also, a lone energized adaptive nano membrane would give better armor resists than a lone DCU, leading to a higher amount of sustained dps you can tank.

Also be sure to pick the right ammo against whatever you're shooting.


edit: Just noticed you have no rigs, either. Fix that...medium capacitor control circuits are relatively cheap and would help your fit a ton.


I made the changes suggested and it still gets creamed in LV2 missions because the Frigates just won't die. Countless millions down the drain on a worthless ship.

*sigh*

Should just forget this turret nonsense and get myself a Caracal/Drake or something like everyone else.

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#15 - 2012-04-30 21:45:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:
Honestly, cruisers are the best hull size for L1/2 missions. Battlecruisers are better than T1 cruisers of course, but T2/T3 cruisers just eat through these. (You'll do that on occasion to get standings up)

Destroyers work nicely too, once you've got the skills to fly them well.


On your fit, drop the 400mm plate, it's useless. Drop the capacitor battery as well, and put a tracking computer there. With a tracking script in, it'll help with the frigates. You can put a capacitor power relay in the newly-freed lowslot if you like, to keep it stable. Also, a lone energized adaptive nano membrane would give better armor resists than a lone DCU, leading to a higher amount of sustained dps you can tank.

Also be sure to pick the right ammo against whatever you're shooting.


edit: Just noticed you have no rigs, either. Fix that...medium capacitor control circuits are relatively cheap and would help your fit a ton.


I made the changes suggested and it still gets creamed in LV2 missions because the Frigates just won't die. Countless millions down the drain on a worthless ship.

*sigh*

Should just forget this turret nonsense and get myself a Caracal/Drake or something like everyone else.

Interesting...

Burn away from them and shoot while they're coming straight at you. A MWD might work better for this, but you should still outrun them with the AB. You could also try a stasis web to hold them still(ish) while you shoot.

Missile ships have their own problems, btw. : /

thhief ghabmoef
Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-04-30 21:49:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Tor Gungnir
I'm just gonna stick to my Rifter or something. Surprisingly it does a lot better at Lv2 missions. Cruisers seem cursed in that they carry guns for Lv3 missions without the ability to tank those through.

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-04-30 21:58:24 UTC
you never answered my questions regarding your Trajectory Analysis skill or if you were fighting in your optimal range. A cruiser should not die in Level 2's unless something is wrong.

Is it all the missions or a certain one?
Rezig Huruta
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-04-30 22:02:00 UTC
You're not trying to orbit them are you?

The dual 180s have tracking of 0.139... if you're not orbiting them, you should be creaming them.

Are you using the correct ammo? Make sure to add the velocity to the overview so you can see how fast they are traversing.
Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2012-04-30 22:02:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Tor Gungnir
Lyron-Baktos wrote:
you never answered my questions regarding your Trajectory Analysis skill or if you were fighting in your optimal range. A cruiser should not die in Level 2's unless something is wrong.

Is it all the missions or a certain one?


Lv4.

Fighting within optimal range. Keep missing salvo after salvo. Even with a Tracking Computer active.

Rezig Huruta wrote:
You're not trying to orbit them are you?

The dual 180s have tracking of 0.139... if you're not orbiting them, you should be creaming them.

Are you using the correct ammo? Make sure to add the velocity to the overview so you can see how fast they are traversing.


Standing still and taking it in the face. I've tried both Titanum Sabot (low damage, high tracking) and EMP (High damage, normal tracking, low range).

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#20 - 2012-04-30 22:04:49 UTC
Did you actually lose your cruiser? Because I am not aware that the rats in L2s scram you, so you should be able to warp out any time.

Anyway, if you have trouble with tracking, try fitting small guns, that can´t be worse than a Rifter. I think that your main problem might simply be a serious lack of skills.

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