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[Unimportant Post] Building a new rig!

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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#21 - 2012-04-22 22:44:58 UTC
supersexysucker wrote:
Seems like we left out intel is having issues with IB and the tri gate transistors... the CPUs are using more power and making more heat than intel thought (still better than AMD) but I would not be like OMG NEED IB...
IB no real performace gain anyways from SB... just a better IGPU i think and tri gate transistors....

Well, clock-for-clock, IBs are already ever so slightly better than SBs (tests reporting around 3% to 10% performance increases between a HT-off 2600K and a 3570K at stock speeds which are identical for both mentioned CPUs), but this first published revision "eats up" far more power than it should, because they kind of rushed the release (they delayed it a couple of times and were getting panicky).

A 3570K will run slightly cooler at idle compared to a 2600K, but will heat up very fast under use if you leave TurboBoost enabled, because the "scaling" of the power consumption with overclocked frequencies (be it manually overclocked with TB off, or dynamically via enabled TB) is completely out of whack with what was expected of it.
So I guess, yes, at the time being, with the current chip "print" revision, enthusiasts and overclockers kind of got the shaft, and quick adoption of IB would not be the greatest ideas for them.

However, quite frankly, if obligated to switch the CPU and given the choice between a 2600K (at 320$) and a 3570K (at 210$), considering I always disable HT and TB anyway (and also no OC, keeping the CPUs at stock frequencies), I would not have even the slightest hesitation in picking the 3570K over the 2600K for a machine destined to be used by me, as it would be an improvement from every possible standpoint.
Of course, that only applies to people like me, the guy still happily using an "ancient" (nearly 2 years since release) 45nm i5-760 quad@2.8, no HT, with TurboBoost disabled, at stock frequencies, only equipped with the stock cooler the CPU came with.
I'll quite happily wait for the second or even the third revision for IB in the autumn/winter of 2012, or even more likely, wait for the second revision of the Haswell, most likely some time in the autumn of 2013 or even the spring of 2014.

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Dare Knight
Bandwagoners
#22 - 2012-04-23 15:53:08 UTC
Got the tracking numbers to the packages. They will all cumulatively be at my door on Wednesday. Just for S&G's I'll post pictures and all that as I do the build. Just because I can.

_It's very simple, really. If you see Tengus on scan, they are ratting. If you see a shitload of Tengus, the Russians are blobbing. If you see Proteuses on scan, they will be on top of you in about a second. If you see a shitload of Proteuses, the big boys are having a goodfight. _
Dare Knight
Bandwagoners
#23 - 2012-04-25 20:51:32 UTC
So I got my last shipment today and.... *gasp* the RAM was missing. I pull it up on NewEgg and find this:

AN EXCEPTION IN THE SORTING PROCESS HAS OCCURRED. UPS HAS TAKEN CORRECTIVE ACTION.[X]

Not only did they pack the RAM in it's own box, that box got put on the wrong truck. ARGH!!!! Gotta wait another day before I can fire this thing up...

_It's very simple, really. If you see Tengus on scan, they are ratting. If you see a shitload of Tengus, the Russians are blobbing. If you see Proteuses on scan, they will be on top of you in about a second. If you see a shitload of Proteuses, the big boys are having a goodfight. _
Dare Knight
Bandwagoners
#24 - 2012-04-28 19:01:57 UTC
So it's all built up and has been running for a whole day now. The RAID has increased my access times about 60%, and the 560 Superclocked is a BEAST. Even in CQ I'm getting around 80FPS, in space around 200FPS. If only EVE supported 3D, I could totally tap that on my 3D TV (24", EVE is beautiful).

I didn't end up returning that 550ti, instead I slotted it below the 560 and set it to Physx duty and am also using both cards w/ CUDA. That was a good choice.

Overall very happy with the build. I'm going to add another 8GB of RAM to give me 16GB and throw in a Creative X-Fi Titanium Fatility-series. My CPU runs a little warm at 60 degrees so I'm also going to throw in an Arctic Cooling heatsink.

_It's very simple, really. If you see Tengus on scan, they are ratting. If you see a shitload of Tengus, the Russians are blobbing. If you see Proteuses on scan, they will be on top of you in about a second. If you see a shitload of Proteuses, the big boys are having a goodfight. _
Copine Callmeknau
Dirty Vagrants
Intergalactic Space Hobos
#25 - 2012-04-28 19:23:08 UTC
Dare Knight wrote:
a Creative X-Fi Titanium Fatility-series. My CPU runs a little warm at 60 degrees so I'm also going to throw in an Arctic Cooling heatsink.

Don't get the sound card, you won't notice a difference

And yeh seems a little hot

There should be a rather awesome pic here
Dare Knight
Bandwagoners
#26 - 2012-04-28 19:38:14 UTC
Copine Callmeknau wrote:
Dare Knight wrote:
a Creative X-Fi Titanium Fatility-series. My CPU runs a little warm at 60 degrees so I'm also going to throw in an Arctic Cooling heatsink.

Don't get the sound card, you won't notice a difference

And yeh seems a little hot



Just a bit. Every build I've done with an Arctic Cooling heatsink kept the processor around 50 degrees celcius. as long as we don't go hitting the 70's I'm not TOO worried about it, but I'd like some more leverage than 10 degrees celcius. I'm afraid of what the stock heatsink would do if I didn't use Arctic Silver...

_It's very simple, really. If you see Tengus on scan, they are ratting. If you see a shitload of Tengus, the Russians are blobbing. If you see Proteuses on scan, they will be on top of you in about a second. If you see a shitload of Proteuses, the big boys are having a goodfight. _
Copine Callmeknau
Dirty Vagrants
Intergalactic Space Hobos
#27 - 2012-04-29 00:22:35 UTC
Dare Knight wrote:
Copine Callmeknau wrote:
Dare Knight wrote:
a Creative X-Fi Titanium Fatility-series. My CPU runs a little warm at 60 degrees so I'm also going to throw in an Arctic Cooling heatsink.

Don't get the sound card, you won't notice a difference

And yeh seems a little hot



Just a bit. Every build I've done with an Arctic Cooling heatsink kept the processor around 50 degrees celcius. as long as we don't go hitting the 70's I'm not TOO worried about it, but I'd like some more leverage than 10 degrees celcius. I'm afraid of what the stock heatsink would do if I didn't use Arctic Silver...

Hmmm, what sort of temps do you get inside your house? My intake temp is 23C atm, running EVE and a few other things I got 50C on CPU, that's with my OC and a fairly undersize case. I get high 30's low 40's on idle or when intake is more like 10-15C, max load can see up to 80+ though, can't really do that unless I cool the air going in

I'd be hoping your temps are more like 30-40 at light load with a good sink, I use the same paste and if you apply it well it does a fantastic job.

There should be a rather awesome pic here
Dare Knight
Bandwagoners
#28 - 2012-04-30 19:14:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Dare Knight
Copine Callmeknau wrote:
Dare Knight wrote:
Copine Callmeknau wrote:
Dare Knight wrote:
a Creative X-Fi Titanium Fatility-series. My CPU runs a little warm at 60 degrees so I'm also going to throw in an Arctic Cooling heatsink.

Don't get the sound card, you won't notice a difference

And yeh seems a little hot



Just a bit. Every build I've done with an Arctic Cooling heatsink kept the processor around 50 degrees celcius. as long as we don't go hitting the 70's I'm not TOO worried about it, but I'd like some more leverage than 10 degrees celcius. I'm afraid of what the stock heatsink would do if I didn't use Arctic Silver...

Hmmm, what sort of temps do you get inside your house? My intake temp is 23C atm, running EVE and a few other things I got 50C on CPU, that's with my OC and a fairly undersize case. I get high 30's low 40's on idle or when intake is more like 10-15C, max load can see up to 80+ though, can't really do that unless I cool the air going in

I'd be hoping your temps are more like 30-40 at light load with a good sink, I use the same paste and if you apply it well it does a fantastic job.


The room it's in stay at around 26. It's odd because when I'm in BIOS, it shoots up from 50 to 60 and stays there. During idle operation it usually stays around 50, and during heavy load is around 62. I pulled the heat sink to make sure I applied it properly and, as usual, I did. I put on a rice seed sized drop, spread it out over the top of the processor, and secure the heatsink to it. Of course, I always apply alcohol to clean off any impurities.

I know the stock heatsink does a shoddy job and doesn't really push any high CFM or anything. The AC heatsink I want to get pushes about 80 CFM of air and isn't much louder than the stock fan, so I'm looking forward to it.

All in all it's nowhere near a danger zone as far as temps go, but I would like to see cooler temps than what I'm seeing. I'm not worried about it, just desiring better performance in my cooler.

EDIT: I have thought about water cooling, and I know that the liquid that is used supposedly doesn't conduct in case of a spill, but.... there's just something about 'liquid' and 'computer' that doesn't jive well in my mind.

_It's very simple, really. If you see Tengus on scan, they are ratting. If you see a shitload of Tengus, the Russians are blobbing. If you see Proteuses on scan, they will be on top of you in about a second. If you see a shitload of Proteuses, the big boys are having a goodfight. _
Dare Knight
Bandwagoners
#29 - 2012-04-30 19:25:31 UTC
I'm reading this and it seems like water cooling systems have improved since I last looked at them several years ago. I didn't know you could get JUST a CPU water cooling setup. I do have to wonder if it'd just be wiser to get a setup for my entire rig (i.e, CPU, VGA, and chipset) as opposed to just the CPU. Then again, all my temps on the other components are very very stable and I'm happy with them. In the case I have each harddrive sitting in front of it's own fan, keeping them cool. And the graphics card stay pretty cool by itself under it's own stock cooler (which EVGA seems to have done a wonderful job with).

_It's very simple, really. If you see Tengus on scan, they are ratting. If you see a shitload of Tengus, the Russians are blobbing. If you see Proteuses on scan, they will be on top of you in about a second. If you see a shitload of Proteuses, the big boys are having a goodfight. _
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#30 - 2012-04-30 19:30:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Petrus Blackshell
Protip for CPU heating problems: if you're using the stock heatsink/fan, that's why. Stock fans are generally absolute crap. Even something cheap like this will outperform most stock heatsinks/fans. Ed: nvm, I'm blind, I didn't see you had a custom fan.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
Dare Knight
Bandwagoners
#31 - 2012-04-30 19:41:04 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Protip for CPU heating problems: if you're using the stock heatsink/fan, that's why. Stock fans are generally absolute crap. Even something cheap like this will outperform most stock heatsinks/fans. Ed: nvm, I'm blind, I didn't see you had a custom fan.


I don't yet. I have one on order. I built with the stock fan for some ungodly reason that I can't pinpoint (read: derp moment). This fan should be here in another day so that'll alleviate the problem, but I'm still curious about water cooling. I'm reading an article right now on Toms Hardware about it. The idea of liquid in my PC still scares me, but.... who knows.

_It's very simple, really. If you see Tengus on scan, they are ratting. If you see a shitload of Tengus, the Russians are blobbing. If you see Proteuses on scan, they will be on top of you in about a second. If you see a shitload of Proteuses, the big boys are having a goodfight. _
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#32 - 2012-04-30 19:46:49 UTC
Dare Knight wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Protip for CPU heating problems: if you're using the stock heatsink/fan, that's why. Stock fans are generally absolute crap. Even something cheap like this will outperform most stock heatsinks/fans. Ed: nvm, I'm blind, I didn't see you had a custom fan.


I don't yet. I have one on order. I built with the stock fan for some ungodly reason that I can't pinpoint (read: derp moment). This fan should be here in another day so that'll alleviate the problem, but I'm still curious about water cooling. I'm reading an article right now on Toms Hardware about it. The idea of liquid in my PC still scares me, but.... who knows.

AFAIK, liquid cooling is just as viable as air/fan cooling. It only gets really good if you throw thousands of dollars at it and do something like liquid nitrogen cooling (which sounds awesome).

The one big plus of liquid cooling is that it's silent. Even then, the bigger the fan you get for an air cooling system, the quieter it will be, so... your choice.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
Dare Knight
Bandwagoners
#33 - 2012-04-30 19:55:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Dare Knight
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Dare Knight wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Protip for CPU heating problems: if you're using the stock heatsink/fan, that's why. Stock fans are generally absolute crap. Even something cheap like this will outperform most stock heatsinks/fans. Ed: nvm, I'm blind, I didn't see you had a custom fan.


I don't yet. I have one on order. I built with the stock fan for some ungodly reason that I can't pinpoint (read: derp moment). This fan should be here in another day so that'll alleviate the problem, but I'm still curious about water cooling. I'm reading an article right now on Toms Hardware about it. The idea of liquid in my PC still scares me, but.... who knows.

AFAIK, liquid cooling is just as viable as air/fan cooling. It only gets really good if you throw thousands of dollars at it and do something like liquid nitrogen cooling (which sounds awesome).

The one big plus of liquid cooling is that it's silent. Even then, the bigger the fan you get for an air cooling system, the quieter it will be, so... your choice.


I'm also thinking of the maintenance involved. I'm sure about every year you'd have to change out the fluid, bleed your lines, occasionally replace lines as they age, check your fittings.... all that crap. Not entirely sure I'm up for that, and like you said, air cooling is just as viable if not as efficient (scientifically, speaking). If a fan dies, I'll hear it as it's dying usually and can just replace it with another $5 standard-sized fan in most cases (pardon the pun). Whereas in water cooling, being silent, I'm sure I won't hear the pump die, the water boil, and notice my parts exploding until it's already said and done. And let's not talk about spilling fluid... What?

I'm pretty much only interested in it because last time I saw water cooling systems they weren't kits yet. They were mash-ups of different parts that you bought individually, fitted yourself, and hoped for the best. I've had plenty of rigs with fans that kept my CPU at 40 celcius, weren't loud, and were -=cheap=- -- Best stick with what I know.


EDIT: I just priced together a water cooling rig using Koolance, and with all the parts that I would need, we're talking about $1,100. I paid that for my rig. No thanks :P

_It's very simple, really. If you see Tengus on scan, they are ratting. If you see a shitload of Tengus, the Russians are blobbing. If you see Proteuses on scan, they will be on top of you in about a second. If you see a shitload of Proteuses, the big boys are having a goodfight. _
Copine Callmeknau
Dirty Vagrants
Intergalactic Space Hobos
#34 - 2012-04-30 20:46:29 UTC
I was looking at watercooling for my gfx cards, the cooler on my CPU is decent enough I think.


If you wanna see something really cool, have a look at oil cooling. I'd like to do that but I'd have to design a nice custom case for it heh.

There should be a rather awesome pic here
Dare Knight
Bandwagoners
#35 - 2012-04-30 21:17:57 UTC
Copine Callmeknau wrote:
I was looking at watercooling for my gfx cards, the cooler on my CPU is decent enough I think.


If you wanna see something really cool, have a look at oil cooling. I'd like to do that but I'd have to design a nice custom case for it heh.


I want this.

_It's very simple, really. If you see Tengus on scan, they are ratting. If you see a shitload of Tengus, the Russians are blobbing. If you see Proteuses on scan, they will be on top of you in about a second. If you see a shitload of Proteuses, the big boys are having a goodfight. _
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