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Trader Kim
Unknown Guardians
#1 - 2012-04-30 04:22:01 UTC
is it woth it to buy the cap componants from the market in jita to build super caps and then sell the ship is there any profit in that?
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#2 - 2012-04-30 05:04:50 UTC
If you can't do the math on it yourself you should probably start with something smaller than supercaps.
Tekota
The Freighter Factory
#3 - 2012-04-30 05:19:06 UTC
As blunt as mxzf may sound he has a damn good point and you'd be really very well advised to do your own work before committing to tens of billions investment.

Is there any profit?
Probably - ie. there probably remains some. Unlikely to be amounts attractive on an isk/manufacturing slot/day basis or on a return over investment basis however. Many cap component parts have a relatively small and unstable market in Jita, there's a competitive cap construction parts market but many of the other components see relatively little action and hence some whacky pricing and unreliable supply.

Further considerations:
Logistics, you're going to need to get those components out to the arse end of null to build your shinies, most (all?) cap components have a greater volume than their constituent minerals. I haven't checked how many JF loads full of components it'll take to get all the parts for a super together - you should; I suspect it'll be a lot.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#4 - 2012-04-30 05:47:42 UTC
Tekota wrote:
Further considerations:
Logistics, you're going to need to get those components out to the arse end of null to build your shinies, most (all?) cap components have a greater volume than their constituent minerals. I haven't checked how many JF loads full of components it'll take to get all the parts for a super together - you should; I suspect it'll be a lot.

Try 20M m3 for a S.Carrier, 3x that for a Titan. About 60 or so JF trips (meaning 180 trips for a Titan). Then you need stable sov for a month (or two months for a Titan) to actually finish the build.
Infinite Force
#5 - 2012-04-30 16:38:16 UTC
mxzf wrote:
Tekota wrote:
Further considerations:
Logistics, you're going to need to get those components out to the arse end of null to build your shinies, most (all?) cap components have a greater volume than their constituent minerals. I haven't checked how many JF loads full of components it'll take to get all the parts for a super together - you should; I suspect it'll be a lot.

Try 20M m3 for a S.Carrier, 3x that for a Titan. About 60 or so JF trips (meaning 180 trips for a Titan). Then you need stable sov for a month (or two months for a Titan) to actually finish the build.

Also, by using my mineral compression services, I can get those JF trips down to 9 for a Titan and 3 (ish) for a SC :)

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mxzf
Shovel Bros
#6 - 2012-04-30 16:44:50 UTC
Infinite Force wrote:
Also, by using my mineral compression services, I can get those JF trips down to 9 for a Titan and 3 (ish) for a SC :)


Yes, compression can help tremendously, but I'm pretty sure that it really isn't the OP's main problem in this situation.
shar'ra matcevsovski
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-04-30 16:47:20 UTC
supercap production is rather high-risk investment but with also great profit potentical. its a lot of work and you need quite some isk to invest and it has some requiremnts you need to think of, like a save 0.0 soverenity with the right upgrades and a close station, a JF and at least 3 perfect bilder chars but margins are still high and a lot of isk can be made.

Besides some T1 guns to refine there is not much you can build i nhigh sec tho

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Infinite Force
#8 - 2012-04-30 17:28:47 UTC
Trader Kim wrote:
is it woth it to buy the cap componants from the market in jita to build super caps and then sell the ship is there any profit in that?

To answer your two questions more directly, with an example:

1. Build & sell the ship - yes there is profit, but as already pointed out, it takes 10's of Billions as well as Sov to build in.

2. No, it is not worth it to buy cap components from the market. Basic reasons why? Markup and size.
  • Markup - If you are paying 'retail' for your components, you will not make any profit.
  • Size - Capital components are 10k m3 per unit.


    • Example - An Aeon (ship ME 0 with component ME 30) takes:
    12.8+ M m3 worth of raw minerals
    > 15 freighter trips @ 900k m3 / freighter
    > 43 JF trips @ 300k m3 / JF

    22.0+ M m3 in capital modules
    > 25 freighter trips @ 900k m3 / freighter
    > 67 JF trips @ 300k m3 / JF

    Now, if I compress those raw minerals for you, you'd end up with:
    720k m3 .. that's 3 JF trips @ 300k m3 / JF or 1 Freighter load.
    - you just saved 40 JF trips over raw minerals and 64 over moving the components!

    Your profit is in building in null-sec and compressing your raw minerals.

    Remember to double your total Freighter / JF trips since these numbers are for a one-way trip (you still have to come back to get more loads).

    Hope that answers your question(s) and adds value to those looking for compression services (shameless plug :)

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