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Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2012-04-30 06:39:06 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Then why my Cane does more dps @ 28km with lower skills than my Harbinger @ 28km with dmg implant?


Because the optimal is around 23km on your Harb and it has very little falloff.
Soon Shin
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
#22 - 2012-04-30 06:41:51 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Wow look at all the stupid people claiming lasers suck...

-Liang


Not saying lasers suck but they take up too much powergrid on medium and small sized versions to the point where it gimps the ship.

Autocannons have no such issues.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-04-30 07:51:04 UTC
Mfume Apocal wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Then why my Cane does more dps @ 28km with lower skills than my Harbinger @ 28km with dmg implant?


Because the optimal is around 23km on your Harb and it has very little falloff.


Running one Tracking Computer with optimal range script. That's 25+5 with Scorch.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-04-30 07:55:08 UTC
Harb should have Focused Med Pulses on it, not heavy pulse.
Harb is a great ship, so is cane, they work completely differently, move on.

Anyone who claims lasers are bad doesnt know how to fit/use amarr ships.

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Smabs
State War Academy
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-04-30 08:10:50 UTC
Harbingers are pretty good. For really small gangs it's starting to become the age of talos' and tornados because of the massive damage projection.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-04-30 10:07:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Jack Miton wrote:
Harb should have Focused Med Pulses on it, not heavy pulse.
Harb is a great ship, so is cane, they work completely differently, move on.

Anyone who claims lasers are bad doesnt know how to fit/use amarr ships.


Yeah and then it would do less dps.

Shield Cane vs armor Harbinger. Cane wins.
Shield Cane vs shield Harbinger. Cane wins.
Armor Cane vs armor Harbinger. Cane wins.
Armor Cane vs shield Harbinger. Cane wins.
Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#27 - 2012-04-30 12:52:29 UTC
Its probably worth pointing out that almost every armour cane has 220s rather than 425s.

Less range, less DPS, less DPS again because ACs fight in falloff whereas lasers operate in optimal.

Oh and fit a motherfucking cap booster you have 4 freaking mid slots.

But who cares about that, people can EFT some numbers which say winmatar beats all.

******* sigh so many times.
Lunkwill Khashour
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2012-04-30 13:08:17 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:

Shield Cane vs armor Harbinger. Cane wins.
Shield Cane vs shield Harbinger. Cane wins.
Armor Cane vs armor Harbinger. Cane wins.
Armor Cane vs shield Harbinger. Cane wins.


I do believe an armor Harbinger sends a Shield Cane running (unless it gets caught, then bb cane)
Sandrestal
Pakistani Taxi Drivers
#29 - 2012-04-30 13:13:26 UTC
Curious how my pulse zealot out damages most all of the welp canes and drakes in fleet engagements and I only have 5 pulses fitted.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-04-30 16:48:23 UTC
Lunkwill Khashour wrote:
I do believe an armor Harbinger sends a Shield Cane running (unless it gets caught, then bb cane)


We had a test a while ago. Guy wanted to know good I'm and how good his Cane was against my Harbinger. The moment I got his shields down to 50% I started taking structure damage.
Korg Tronix
Mole Station Nursery
#31 - 2012-04-30 16:52:49 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Lunkwill Khashour wrote:
I do believe an armor Harbinger sends a Shield Cane running (unless it gets caught, then bb cane)


We had a test a while ago. Guy wanted to know good I'm and how good his Cane was against my Harbinger. The moment I got his shields down to 50% I started taking structure damage.


Then your Harbinger was very poorly fitted if we are talking Armour Harb versus Shield Cane

Evil: If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One! [zaps one of his minions accidentally, minion screams]
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-04-30 17:01:48 UTC
Korg Tronix wrote:
Then your Harbinger was very poorly fitted if we are talking Armour Harb versus Shield Cane


I don't know about his tank. I guess it was shield tanked. Insane regen rate.
Korg Tronix
Mole Station Nursery
#33 - 2012-04-30 17:07:31 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Korg Tronix wrote:
Then your Harbinger was very poorly fitted if we are talking Armour Harb versus Shield Cane


I don't know about his tank. I guess it was shield tanked. Insane regen rate.


Ok no Shield cane gets insane regen unless its SPR brick tanked in which case its not a standard pvp fit. The standard shield cane has at best 2/3s the tank of an Armour harb and is still inside optimal of the Harbs lasers if it wants to do semi decent damage.

Pretty much every occasion I have been in this fight its either resulted in me running in the cane or making them run in a Harb (Cant ever seem to get the web on them.)

Evil: If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One! [zaps one of his minions accidentally, minion screams]
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-04-30 17:15:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
I only had skills to use T1 lasers. Only used two crystals: Radio for long range and Multifrequency for short range.
Fit was the same I used for PVE. And I wasn't allowed to use my Hammerhead IIs.

This guy had maxed medium projectiles and damage&rof implants.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#35 - 2012-04-30 17:37:31 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
I only had skills to use T1 lasers. Only used two crystals: Radio for long range and Multifrequency for short range.
Fit was the same I used for PVE. And I wasn't allowed to use my Hammerhead IIs.

This guy had maxed medium projectiles and damage&rof implants.


I don't know if there are enough facepalms in the world to respond to this post.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2012-04-30 17:39:19 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
I only had skills to use T1 lasers. Only used two crystals: Radio for long range and Multifrequency for short range.
Fit was the same I used for PVE. And I wasn't allowed to use my Hammerhead IIs.

This guy had maxed medium projectiles and damage&rof implants.


Hey, I'm not normally hung on YOU MUST HAVE XX MILLION SP TO PVP but goddamn, you seriously need T2 lasers. And why weren't you allowed to use Hammerhead IIs? The generous dronebay of the Harb is a major way of redressing the double damage bonused Cane in terms of DPS. Would you also leave off one of your turrets?
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-04-30 17:48:43 UTC
Mfume Apocal wrote:
Hey, I'm not normally hung on YOU MUST HAVE XX MILLION SP TO PVP but goddamn, you seriously need T2 lasers. And why weren't you allowed to use Hammerhead IIs? The generous dronebay of the Harb is a major way of redressing the double damage bonused Cane in terms of DPS. Would you also leave off one of your turrets?


- 12 days it takes to train medium energy turrets from 4 to 5 was long time back then. So I kinda delayed training them.
- Because fight wasn't for real, it was only for test purposes. I had actually invested some time to train drones unlike someone. You know Minmatar pilots... Big smile
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#38 - 2012-04-30 17:52:51 UTC
Maybe you should have had him run with 4 T1 guns to simulate your lower turret SP

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2012-04-30 18:30:08 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
- 12 days it takes to train medium energy turrets from 4 to 5 was long time back then. So I kinda delayed training them.
- Because fight wasn't for real, it was only for test purposes. I had actually invested some time to train drones unlike someone. You know Minmatar pilots... Big smile


Perhaps it wasn't the best point of comparison for Harb vs. Cane balance.
Moroccan Tourist
Blood Raider Cleaning Crew
#40 - 2012-04-30 23:23:19 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Harb should have Focused Med Pulses on it, not heavy pulse.
Harb is a great ship, so is cane, they work completely differently, move on.

Anyone who claims lasers are bad doesnt know how to fit/use amarr ships.


the tier 3 BC should be able to fit the top tier turrets , and why only amarr got only 2 classes of mediums close range class turrets?

Quote:

[Hurricane, New Setup 1]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
[empty low slot]
[empty low slot]
[empty low slot]
[empty low slot]
[empty low slot]

10MN MicroWarpdrive I
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]

425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
50W Infectious Power System Malfunction
[empty high slot]

And has enough PG left to fit all other non PG hungry mods needed


I just want to fit the same damn thing on a harbinger ! is that too much to ask?