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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#621 - 2012-04-30 10:58:02 UTC
http://i.imgur.com/aYOL1.jpg 
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#622 - 2012-04-30 11:13:50 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/aYOL1.jpg

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/19709210.jpg

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#623 - 2012-04-30 11:28:25 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Korgan Nailo wrote:
Is it that hard for people to understand that there are players who do NOT want to engage in PvP?

Oh wait... I forgot... usually low / null-sec players can't believe the others are not jumping into those systems so they can blow them up... ah... ok... ok... TOTALLY part of my view of "fun", being blown up... right...

Leave the High-sec players have their fun, go back to low / null and have yours. Geez...

Someone doesn't understand the concept of interdependent systems.

Besides... you know there are tales of people jumping into those systems and not getting blown up, right? I know, I know, it's crazy talk but hear me out. Some people right, they actually read a little about mechanics, ship fits and strategies for making ISK before going.

I hear they come back rich.

Its amazing. I blow through the notorious EC-P8R gatecamp on quite the regular basis(good way to and from the scary scary high sec areas... all those neuts I can't shoot at*shudder*) and have only exploded there once? Cool

And it was to blue fire, too Lol

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
Korgan Nailo
5ER3NITY INC
The Gorram Shiney Alliance
#624 - 2012-04-30 16:20:17 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Korgan Nailo wrote:
Is it that hard for people to understand that there are players who do NOT want to engage in PvP?

Oh wait... I forgot... usually low / null-sec players can't believe the others are not jumping into those systems so they can blow them up... ah... ok... ok... TOTALLY part of my view of "fun", being blown up... right...

Leave the High-sec players have their fun, go back to low / null and have yours. Geez...

Someone doesn't understand the concept of interdependent systems.

Besides... you know there are tales of people jumping into those systems and not getting blown up, right? I know, I know, it's crazy talk but hear me out. Some people right, they actually read a little about mechanics, ship fits and strategies for making ISK before going.

I hear they come back rich.

Can you read? I mean, really read, not just the words, but their meaning?

What part of "Is it that hard for people to understand that there are players who do NOT want to engage in PvP?" you didn't get?

Actually, nvm, I guess your posts just answer that very same question. You can't.

And since all your posts are constructive, here is something for you:
Simi Kusoni wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
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Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#625 - 2012-04-30 17:04:51 UTC
Funny thing is you could fix the overfarming of Incursions with the exact same mechanic every other MMO uses to prevent the same thing happening, but I doubt CCP would touch it.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#626 - 2012-04-30 17:08:01 UTC
Korgan Nailo wrote:
Can you read? I mean, really read, not just the words, but their meaning?

What part of "Is it that hard for people to understand that there are players who do NOT want to engage in PvP?" you didn't get?

Actually, nvm, I guess your posts just answer that very same question. You can't.

I understand that your meaning is: "I don't know how to avoid combat, and I'm unwilling to learn. Please give us PvP free zones so I can continue levelling up this lvl80 mage and get all my purple gear".

It seems you may be playing the incorrect game.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#627 - 2012-04-30 17:15:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Takseen
Simi Kusoni wrote:
[quote=Korgan Nailo]
It seems you may be playing the incorrect game.


Highsec and Concord's current level of protection in that area has been around for years. If you want a server wide no holds barred arena, you're the one playing the wrong game.

Edit to keep it on topic : I think its obvious that the Mothership BPC reward wasn't quite enough to draw people into doing the lowsec incursions. Either Incursions are just a poor fit for the dynamics of lowsec, or the rewards aren't good enough.
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#628 - 2012-04-30 17:22:31 UTC
Takseen wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:
[quote=Korgan Nailo]
It seems you may be playing the incorrect game.


Highsec and Concord's current level of protection in that area has been around for years. If you want a server wide no holds barred arena, you're the one playing the wrong game.

Your inability to understand the point of Concord is only dwarfed in stupidity by your desire for a PVP flag in a 100% PVP game.
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#629 - 2012-04-30 17:26:34 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
Takseen wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Korgan Nailo wrote:

It seems you may be playing the incorrect game.


Highsec and Concord's current level of protection in that area has been around for years. If you want a server wide no holds barred arena, you're the one playing the wrong game.

Your inability to understand the point of Concord is only dwarfed in stupidity by your desire for a PVP flag in a 100% PVP game.


[quote]by your desire for a PVP flag in a 100% PVP game.


My desire for a what, now?
xxanjoahir
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#630 - 2012-04-30 18:07:29 UTC
funny how incursions promised so much in terms of emergent game stlyes - characters corps and alliances all set up to combat the farming......

people having fun killing bling bling ships - shame ccp (not sure which one) is it either wouldn't or couldn't come up with a 2nd chapter to this ISK farming....

shame that the only farming that they wont touch is moon mining and how much isk that generates from doing sweet fa and having no risk.....an activity that is something completely non-teamwork effective....

im only sad that this part of the game was great fun and CCP caved ..
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
#631 - 2012-04-30 18:11:25 UTC
Korgan Nailo wrote:
[quote=Simi Kusoni][quote=Korgan Nailo]Is it that hard for people to understand that there are players who do NOT want to enga

What part of "Is it that hard for people to understand that there are players who do NOT want to engage in PvP?" you didn't get?



What part of EVE is a sandbox do you not understand? You may not wish to pvp but if you undock you agree that it can happen. It's only you're own entitled outlook on the world that makes you believe you're different from so many other players in the game that are willing to accept that premise, so it's only yourself to blame when that belief is proved wrong.

WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place...

Amsterdam Conversations
Doomheim
#632 - 2012-04-30 18:21:01 UTC
supersexysucker wrote:
Nerf moons, 0.0 has no effort moons, highsec has effort incrusions... you want to nerf incrusions... then get around to them moons too...

Takes what, 1 falcon to screw a whole fleet in an incrusion... billions in loses... takes um what, 1000 people to even try to attack a tech moon. Can't really say risk vs reward now can we?

Also nerf chain ratting if that is still around since all these 0.0 bears seem to want to nerf HS more danger isk.

rofl.


High sec carebear assuming that 0.0 people actually don't want their moons nerfed.

My counter proposal: Nerf moons and incursions to the ground.

On a different note, your arguments are pretty ****.
xxanjoahir
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#633 - 2012-04-30 18:39:20 UTC
Amsterdam Conversations wrote:
supersexysucker wrote:
Nerf moons, 0.0 has no effort moons, highsec has effort incrusions... you want to nerf incrusions... then get around to them moons too...

Takes what, 1 falcon to screw a whole fleet in an incrusion... billions in loses... takes um what, 1000 people to even try to attack a tech moon. Can't really say risk vs reward now can we?

Also nerf chain ratting if that is still around since all these 0.0 bears seem to want to nerf HS more danger isk.

rofl.


High sec carebear assuming that 0.0 people actually don't want their moons nerfed.

My counter proposal: Nerf moons and incursions to the ground.

On a different note, your arguments are pretty ****.



I am sick to the back teeth of everyones first reaction when something that people enjoy doing together and pays well is to nerf it to high heaven and back......you did it with the nano nerf, you did it with sc's and titans and dreads.

STOP FUCKIN THINKING LIKE THIS > STOP NERFING THINGS FOR NERFING SAKE AND BE BRAVE ENOUGH TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING TOTALLY ORGINAL THAT BRINGS A "2ND CHAPTER" TO THE GAME.

I was urging you on to not go down the nerf route and come up with a totally unique game play to high sec and low sec incursions. something totally new to the game and would mean even high seccers would think "**** me this is good".

CCP; STOP NERFING, PLAYERS STOP SUGGESTING THINGS ARE NERFED JUST BECUASE THEIR SAND CASTLE IS BETTER THAN YOURS. CCP THINK OUT THE BOX AND INVENT NEW MODS, SHIPS AND NEW WAYS TO CREATE EMERGENT GAME STLYES.... WELL DONE, HIGH SEC INCURSIONS WERE SLOWLY EVOLVING INTO A BRAND NEW EMERGENT GAME STYLE WHERE THE CRY BABIES WERE DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT..... YOU JUST KILLED IT.
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#634 - 2012-04-30 18:43:19 UTC
xxanjoahir wrote:
Amsterdam Conversations wrote:
supersexysucker wrote:
Nerf moons, 0.0 has no effort moons, highsec has effort incrusions... you want to nerf incrusions... then get around to them moons too...

Takes what, 1 falcon to screw a whole fleet in an incrusion... billions in loses... takes um what, 1000 people to even try to attack a tech moon. Can't really say risk vs reward now can we?

Also nerf chain ratting if that is still around since all these 0.0 bears seem to want to nerf HS more danger isk.

rofl.


High sec carebear assuming that 0.0 people actually don't want their moons nerfed.

My counter proposal: Nerf moons and incursions to the ground.

On a different note, your arguments are pretty ****.



I am sick to the back teeth of everyones first reaction when something that people enjoy doing together and pays well is to nerf it to high heaven and back......you did it with the nano nerf, you did it with sc's and titans and dreads.

STOP FUCKIN THINKING LIKE THIS > STOP NERFING THINGS FOR NERFING SAKE AND BE BRAVE ENOUGH TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING TOTALLY ORGINAL THAT BRINGS A "2ND CHAPTER" TO THE GAME.

I was urging you on to not go down the nerf route and come up with a totally unique game play to high sec and low sec incursions. something totally new to the game and would mean even high seccers would think "**** me this is good".

CCP; STOP NERFING, PLAYERS STOP SUGGESTING THINGS ARE NERFED JUST BECUASE THEIR SAND CASTLE IS BETTER THAN YOURS. CCP THINK OUT THE BOX AND INVENT NEW MODS, SHIPS AND NEW WAYS TO CREATE EMERGENT GAME STLYES.... WELL DONE, HIGH SEC INCURSIONS WERE SLOWLY EVOLVING INTO A BRAND NEW EMERGENT GAME STYLE WHERE THE CRY BABIES WERE DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT..... YOU JUST KILLED IT.


Gotta nerf something.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#635 - 2012-04-30 18:44:01 UTC
CCP FOR THE LOVE OF GOD NERF CAPS LOCK RAGE POASTS.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#636 - 2012-04-30 18:46:37 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
CCP FOR THE LOVE OF GOD NERF CAPS LOCK RAGE POASTS.


That's the spirit Smile
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
#637 - 2012-04-30 18:56:58 UTC
I've never run one.

I look at the Incursion chat channel and I am repelled by all the drama and bullcrap there, despite being able to field a logi or pretty much any T2 fitted battleship (well Caldari or Amaar at least) you could want.

What I read in that chat doesn't sound much like there's any teamwork going on there. All I see is smacktalk and armchair commanders telling people they suck.

I'm gonna take a pass on that sort of thing, thanks.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#638 - 2012-04-30 18:57:00 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Korgan Nailo wrote:
Can you read? I mean, really read, not just the words, but their meaning?

What part of "Is it that hard for people to understand that there are players who do NOT want to engage in PvP?" you didn't get?

Actually, nvm, I guess your posts just answer that very same question. You can't.


It seems you may be playing the incorrect game.



Oh noes someone plays a different game then Simi plays she must troll it to death!?!?! Roll
CCP please listen to more trolls like Simi so your unsubs of incursion runners will look like this http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/2673/lemo.jpg
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
xxanjoahir
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#639 - 2012-04-30 19:00:15 UTC
it could have been so much more fun....

just off my head now when you are in the area of incursions you are either a terrorist (fighting for sansha's) or counter-terrorist (fighting against sansha)... you choose what team you are on which is active for the entire duration of the incursion....

"2nd chapter" achieved, farming disrupted... people continue to have fun... and this seamingly ignorant perception that high sec incursions carry no risk is reduced since now cry babies can something about it....= emergent game play...

3rd chapter - new mods and ships used in the different sites to cotribute to the risk of running incursions = another new emergent game play.

you wanted variety i just gave you one that would open a selection box.
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#640 - 2012-04-30 19:33:43 UTC
Ana Vyr wrote:
I've never run one.

I look at the Incursion chat channel and I am repelled by all the drama and bullcrap there, despite being able to field a logi or pretty much any T2 fitted battleship (well Caldari or Amaar at least) you could want.

What I read in that chat doesn't sound much like there's any teamwork going on there. All I see is smacktalk and armchair commanders telling people they suck.

I'm gonna take a pass on that sort of thing, thanks.


Havent gone back to incursions, but we shall head back to the origins and the first fleets.

We lol'ed everybody who brought what now became the standard fleet. It took us 15+ minutes to run because there was no I win fits developed yet. I was talking to a person who still ran incursions and heard stuff like ohnoes, 3 maras and my vindi cannot do anything. Well, welcome to eve, you now need to fit for general use. Get back to tackle, herding and ewar ships to make em work for you. Get tackle ships, etc. The way it sounds, should still be good for 30/40mil a person in highsec.

Risk comes reward. Want vanguards, fit and less risk. Run higher end sites, well don't fly 2 bil fits and instead head to T1. Person loses a ship, everybody else in the fleet sends em a few mil each manditory. I was thinking of coming back to FC them, but most of this incursion change sounds like whiners so nay on that right now. Get yourself a real FC to run them and stuff will get done. Somebody who can do more than read a survival guide that is 4 lines long.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.