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War Decs: a Trillionaires Guide

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CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#21 - 2012-04-28 00:13:55 UTC
new war dec changes won't be out until Inferno Smile

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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-04-28 00:27:16 UTC
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
It's a shame that the aggressors don't have the option to form larger entities in an effort to dec other large entities, while still keeping the cost/member very affordable.

Forever alone :´(


It would be nice if the ppl you aggressed had a way to win a war

Theres literally no way to win a war for those defending

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Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2012-04-28 00:35:16 UTC
How many wardecs does one need to camp the VFK undock?

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WisdomLikeSilence
BurgerkingTM
#24 - 2012-04-30 16:07:13 UTC  |  Edited by: WisdomLikeSilence
Krios Ahzek wrote:
How many wardecs does one need to camp the VFK undock?


The point is the lopsided nature of wardec costs, not whining about GOons or being able to camp mittantigrad with cloaked alts or whatever other off topic issue you're trying to inject there. Its buttons for an alliance to wardec a small corp and keep them tied up with that. Its big money for a small corp to do the reverse to an alliance. Remember the 500 mill is not a one off payment.
WisdomLikeSilence
BurgerkingTM
#25 - 2012-04-30 16:09:04 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:
new war dec changes won't be out until Inferno Smile


Will the costs be in line with todays costs, when the changes happen?

-Will it still be mutliple hundreds of millions to wardec an alliance - with no ability to wardec a single corp in that alliance?
Serene Repose
#26 - 2012-04-30 16:27:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Serene Repose
Goons. Goons. Goons. A lot of folks like to drag out the Goons to prove a point. Goons factored nada in this war dec change. Albeit, it does seem to favor the rich, this may be to prevent n00bs using the war dec system as a method to annoy. If you're gonna fight a war, FIGHT A WAR. When you war dec the Goons, hamstrung by this ISK amount,
let us know.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#27 - 2012-04-30 16:29:44 UTC
I think the current costs are 1/2 million per pilot in the decced corp or alliance, and you cannot dec a corp in an alliance separately. But even if you could, other rules make it useless to do so, specifically the mercenary rule.

Any decced corp can contract mercenaries. If you could dec one corp of an alliance, they would just call in the rest of the alliance as mercs, and you end up fighting them all anyway.

Now as part of the trillionaires guide: If you are a trillionaire or running a trillionaire alliance, consider you got what it takes to dec all of high sec.

Lets say there are 300,000 pilots in player corps centered on high sec operations. That would be 150 billion a week to dec them all. If you have 3000 players in your alliance, that would be 50 million per player per week, or 7 million a day, about one L4 mission run on an alt in a NPC corp.

Because of this, I predict that under the currently stated rules, soon after Inferno hits every player corp in high sec will have a war. If you are a player who gets no enjoyment from war, I recommend you drop to a NPC corp before the expansion in May. If you got both industry alts and PvP alts, I recommend you drop all industry alts to NPC corps.

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GoonWaffe
#28 - 2012-04-30 16:43:50 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Because of this, I predict that under the currently stated rules, soon after Inferno hits every player corp in high sec will have a war. If you are a player who gets no enjoyment from war, I recommend you drop to a NPC corp before the expansion in May. If you got both industry alts and PvP alts, I recommend you drop all industry alts to NPC corps.

If you are running highsec POSes can you drop into an NPC corp?

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#29 - 2012-04-30 16:46:00 UTC
WisdomLikeSilence wrote:
Krios Ahzek wrote:
How many wardecs does one need to camp the VFK undock?


The point is the lopsided nature of wardec costs, not whining about GOons or being able to camp mittantigrad with cloaked alts or whatever other off topic issue you're trying to inject there. Its buttons for an alliance to wardec a small corp and keep them tied up with that. Its big money for a small corp to do the reverse to an alliance. Remember the 500 mill is not a one off payment.

People always camp mittanigrad. You should try it, I hear there's quite a thrill doing it.

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ASuperVillain
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2012-04-30 17:39:03 UTC
Will the NPC corps now be dec-able? Or has no one decided to slaughter that calf yet?

Since being in a little corp now just a sign that says, "pay x to shoot." Will the new system make it more cost effective to have 30 3-man corps under perma wardeck than say, 3 30-man corps? Why do I feel as though all the "little guys" are getting pushed to the sidelines... Why do i feel as though NPC corps will get a large influx of people who are just tired of getting blown up? This INFERNO will be all the n00bs burned by the experience, and their bodies used to fuel griefer engines.

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#31 - 2012-04-30 17:58:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Athena
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
Because of this, I predict that under the currently stated rules, soon after Inferno hits every player corp in high sec will have a war. If you are a player who gets no enjoyment from war, I recommend you drop to a NPC corp before the expansion in May. If you got both industry alts and PvP alts, I recommend you drop all industry alts to NPC corps.

If you are running highsec POSes can you drop into an NPC corp?


Nope. Make plans to defend it, or you might as well take it down. But you can leave just the research alts in the player corp, and move the pilots that use the blue prints (either for manufacturing, or sale) to an NPC corp.

"Will the new system make it more cost effective to have 30 3-man corps under perma wardeck than say, 3 30-man corps?"

Last I heard, the cost was 20 million per corp + 0.5 million per corp member. Thus 30 three-pilot corps would be more expansive. Has it changed?

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Lap Dancers
Brothers of Tangra
#32 - 2012-04-30 18:41:06 UTC
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Goonswarm_Federation

There is a concise list of all systems under Goonswarm control, it is FREE to fight them there, it will cost ISK to fight them in high sec.

I can promise you they will lay out the welcome mat if you want to go there, be careful, they may snatch it out from under you once you get there.
Josef Djugashvilis
#33 - 2012-04-30 18:48:01 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
WisdomLikeSilence wrote:
Current mechanics are obviously broken - whereby a sample Alliance in this case Goons, have a wardec fee of half a billion isk, making war deccing them something only the very few and the very wealthy can do. As I said, I dont think this is very healthy.


Five hundred million is not a lot of money.

I think part of the purpose of the new system is to encourage fewer, larger alliances in highsec.


And that is precisely what is wrong with the proposed war-dec changes.

Most folk, I believe, do not want to become alliance drones with fly here, fight there, fit you ship like this or else, etc.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#34 - 2012-04-30 18:50:49 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Most folk, I believe, do not want to become alliance drones with fly here, fight there, fit you ship like this or else, etc.

Highsec pvp just took a new, terrifying turn~

Better ask CCP for more protection.

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Thomas Orca
Broski is ded
#35 - 2012-04-30 18:53:29 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:

Most folk, I believe, do not want to become alliance drones with fly here, fight there, fit you ship like this or else, etc.


So don't join an Alliance like that?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#36 - 2012-04-30 18:55:21 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
If you are running highsec POSes can you drop into an NPC corp?

Nope. Make plans to defend it, or you might as well take it down. But you can leave just the research alts in the player corp, and move the pilots that use the blue prints (either for manufacturing, or sale) to an NPC corp.

Heh heh heh. Good to know the POS can be shot then.

Wait a second, shooting POS with subcaps isn't fun, what am I thinking...

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Josef Djugashvilis
#37 - 2012-04-30 18:56:17 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Most folk, I believe, do not want to become alliance drones with fly here, fight there, fit you ship like this or else, etc.

Highsec pvp just took a new, terrifying turn~

Better ask CCP for more protection.


I am all for pvp.

But, the logic of the changes would tend to favour the formation of large alliances.

0.0 style blob warfare in hisec - no thanks.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#38 - 2012-04-30 19:39:00 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Most folk, I believe, do not want to become alliance drones with fly here, fight there, fit you ship like this or else, etc.

Highsec pvp just took a new, terrifying turn~

Better ask CCP for more protection.

I am all for pvp.

But, the logic of the changes would tend to favour the formation of large alliances.

0.0 style blob warfare in hisec - no thanks.

Yep, a new, terrifying turn.

One day you, too, will have level 5 CTAs to protect your large pos from the evil ~goonies~.

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CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#39 - 2012-04-30 22:12:27 UTC
WisdomLikeSilence wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:
new war dec changes won't be out until Inferno Smile


Will the costs be in line with todays costs, when the changes happen?

-Will it still be mutliple hundreds of millions to wardec an alliance - with no ability to wardec a single corp in that alliance?


no we will be changing the war dec cost formula, we'll tell you more about it in a dev blog soon

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Mambo Ted
#40 - 2012-04-30 22:44:27 UTC
Tobiaz wrote:
CCP should divide the corporations in size-classes with 1000+ being the largest class. Each class with an incremental pricetag, and the cost of war is the sum of the pricetags of both the attacking and the defending corporation.

Less wardecs of large corporations on smaller ones, the size-classes make member-padding less effective and a hardcap to prevent 'too expensive to wardec'.


Good idea, they will ignore it Cry

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