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Renaming "Carebears" to "Hardbears".
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Jacob Staffuer
Doomheim
#101 - 2012-04-30 15:17:37 UTC
This thread pleases me.

So many children upset that the hi-sec players were the tuff gaiz all along.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#102 - 2012-04-30 15:19:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Jacob Staffuer wrote:
This thread pleases me.

So many children upset that the hi-sec players were the tuff gaiz all along.



It's in my sig line. Smile

another fav in response to all that goon 'blustering' a few weeks ago:


"CareBears don't care so much they don't come to your space, and they don't harass you, and indeed they don't even fight back. That is the ultimate don't care and there isn't anything you can do, short of dying of starvation, next to a pack of Cheetos, that will demostrate a don't care level beyond that of the CareBear."

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Jacob Staffuer
Doomheim
#103 - 2012-04-30 15:30:53 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Jacob Staffuer wrote:
This thread pleases me.

So many children upset that the hi-sec players were the tuff gaiz all along.



It's in my sig line. Smile

another fav in response to all that goon 'blustering' a few weeks ago:


"CareBears don't care so much they don't come to your space, and they don't harass you, and indeed they don't even fight back. That is the ultimate don't care and there isn't anything you can do, short of dying of starvation, next to a pack of Cheetos, that will demostrate a don't care level beyond that of the CareBear."


When Goons try so hard not to care it just reveals how deeply they actually are.

When everyone gets so butthurt over my thread, it just shows what thinskinned elitists they are.
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#104 - 2012-04-30 15:34:52 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Ways to defend yourself without actually doing anything at all 101


  • Don't haul or fly what you can't afford to lose, getting ganked is a risk you accept when you hit undock, carebear or not.

  • If you can't afford to lose it, freight it with someone like redfrog or pushx, it gets ganked you keep the collateral Bear

  • Insure your mission ships and haulers, any financial payback reduces the hit on your wallet.

  • Pimp fits are the equivalent to painting a target on your back, the man in his Artybaddon or Tornado loves your pimp fit tengus, they go squish and drop good loot.Pirate

  • If war decced, don't carry on as normal Roll, you'll probably have 3 choices if crimewatch gets updated, hire mercs, fight them yourself with some allies, blueball the aggressor by playing on an out of corp alt until he gets bored.

  • If you're a miner, fly a retriever for the next month, they're cheaper than hulks, mine in a battleship whatever, just don't mine in an untanked max yield hulk, it's going to die.Pirate

    • I'm a hisec trader/missioner I follow the above and have rarely been popped unless I've done something daft. like accidentally APing into losec, never used the damn thing since.

    Chances that 90% of the next months whine threads come from people that can't follow simple rules? 100%


    Condensed. Lets make high sec more like low sec and null sec because the game is booming out there and that will fix EVE.

    R.I.P. Vile Rat
    Tallian Saotome
    Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
    #105 - 2012-04-30 15:35:55 UTC
    Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
    Axis Raikkonen wrote:
    The OP wrote:
    I walk around blindfolded with my hands tied behind my back. I'm so h4rdc0r3 1337 xXxSePhIrOtHxXx ~elite pve~


    This.

    Also, you've obviously never seen/flown a battlehulk.



    .....and you expect to be taken seriously...........................

    ORE Fleet Doctrine are Win, dude.

    battlehulks, warcas, hotdrop rorqs, deathskiffs, these all really exist. Dude in my alliance uses a skiff to take down neuts all the time.

    Its meant as a joke, but it works pretty well.

    Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
    Sri Bolyn
    Disciples of the Void
    #106 - 2012-04-30 15:42:15 UTC
    Ioci wrote:
    Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
    Ways to defend yourself without actually doing anything at all 101


  • Don't haul or fly what you can't afford to lose, getting ganked is a risk you accept when you hit undock, carebear or not.

  • If you can't afford to lose it, freight it with someone like redfrog or pushx, it gets ganked you keep the collateral Bear

  • Insure your mission ships and haulers, any financial payback reduces the hit on your wallet.

  • Pimp fits are the equivalent to painting a target on your back, the man in his Artybaddon or Tornado loves your pimp fit tengus, they go squish and drop good loot.Pirate

  • If war decced, don't carry on as normal Roll, you'll probably have 3 choices if crimewatch gets updated, hire mercs, fight them yourself with some allies, blueball the aggressor by playing on an out of corp alt until he gets bored.

  • If you're a miner, fly a retriever for the next month, they're cheaper than hulks, mine in a battleship whatever, just don't mine in an untanked max yield hulk, it's going to die.Pirate

    • I'm a hisec trader/missioner I follow the above and have rarely been popped unless I've done something daft. like accidentally APing into losec, never used the damn thing since.

    Chances that 90% of the next months whine threads come from people that can't follow simple rules? 100%


    Condensed. Lets make high sec more like low sec and null sec because the game is booming out there and that will fix EVE.


    I actually remember when low-sec WAS booming. Unfortunately, we pounced on everything that moved and the prey either moved on, quit or went to where they got the most protection; big null-sec alliances.

    It's a shame that the 'leet guys in thread don't understand the concept of conservation. Soon we will have over-fished hi-sec. It might take longer but from the looks of the average poster's mentality, it is coming nonetheless What?
    Jacob Staffuer
    Doomheim
    #107 - 2012-04-30 15:48:31 UTC
    Sri Bolyn wrote:
    Ioci wrote:
    Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
    Ways to defend yourself without actually doing anything at all 101


  • Don't haul or fly what you can't afford to lose, getting ganked is a risk you accept when you hit undock, carebear or not.

  • If you can't afford to lose it, freight it with someone like redfrog or pushx, it gets ganked you keep the collateral Bear

  • Insure your mission ships and haulers, any financial payback reduces the hit on your wallet.

  • Pimp fits are the equivalent to painting a target on your back, the man in his Artybaddon or Tornado loves your pimp fit tengus, they go squish and drop good loot.Pirate

  • If war decced, don't carry on as normal Roll, you'll probably have 3 choices if crimewatch gets updated, hire mercs, fight them yourself with some allies, blueball the aggressor by playing on an out of corp alt until he gets bored.

  • If you're a miner, fly a retriever for the next month, they're cheaper than hulks, mine in a battleship whatever, just don't mine in an untanked max yield hulk, it's going to die.Pirate

    • I'm a hisec trader/missioner I follow the above and have rarely been popped unless I've done something daft. like accidentally APing into losec, never used the damn thing since.

    Chances that 90% of the next months whine threads come from people that can't follow simple rules? 100%


    Condensed. Lets make high sec more like low sec and null sec because the game is booming out there and that will fix EVE.


    I actually remember when low-sec WAS booming. Unfortunately, we pounced on everything that moved and the prey either moved on, quit or went to where they got the most protection; big null-sec alliances.

    It's a shame that the 'leet guys in thread don't understand the concept of conservation. Soon we will have over-fished hi-sec. It might take longer but from the looks of the average poster's mentality, it is coming nonetheless What?


    Player driven, after all.
    Krixtal Icefluxor
    INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
    #108 - 2012-04-30 15:48:41 UTC
    Tallian Saotome wrote:
    ORE Fleet Doctrine are Win, dude.

    battlehulks, warcas, hotdrop rorqs, deathskiffs, these all really exist. Dude in my alliance uses a skiff to take down neuts all the time.

    Its meant as a joke, but it works pretty well.


    Indeed it does. I had NO idea till my first Mass Test on Sisi.

    We were finally about to jump through the first gate (all 300 ships in a close bunch) and this BattleRorq warps in to a stop right in the middle, SCATTERING to the winds my CNR, another 10 BS's at least, and around 20 carriers and 3 Titans.

    Was astonishingly hilarious !

    "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
    Alavaria Fera
    GoonWaffe
    #109 - 2012-04-30 15:49:55 UTC
    Sri Bolyn wrote:
    I actually remember when low-sec WAS booming. Unfortunately, we pounced on everything that moved and the prey either moved on, quit or went to where they got the most protection; big null-sec alliances.

    Ah, most protection as in "nullsec is actually less risky than high, so high should have more income" ?

    Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
    Jonah Gravenstein
    Machiavellian Space Bastards
    #110 - 2012-04-30 15:57:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
    Ioci wrote:
    Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
    Ways to defend yourself without actually doing anything at all 101


  • Don't haul or fly what you can't afford to lose, getting ganked is a risk you accept when you hit undock, carebear or not.

  • If you can't afford to lose it, freight it with someone like redfrog or pushx, it gets ganked you keep the collateral Bear

  • Insure your mission ships and haulers, any financial payback reduces the hit on your wallet.

  • Pimp fits are the equivalent to painting a target on your back, the man in his Artybaddon or Tornado loves your pimp fit tengus, they go squish and drop good loot.Pirate

  • If war decced, don't carry on as normal Roll, you'll probably have 3 choices if crimewatch gets updated, hire mercs, fight them yourself with some allies, blueball the aggressor by playing on an out of corp alt until he gets bored.

  • If you're a miner, fly a retriever for the next month, they're cheaper than hulks, mine in a battleship whatever, just don't mine in an untanked max yield hulk, it's going to die.Pirate

    • I'm a hisec trader/missioner I follow the above and have rarely been popped unless I've done something daft. like accidentally APing into losec, never used the damn thing since.

    Chances that 90% of the next months whine threads come from people that can't follow simple rules? 100%


    Condensed. Lets make high sec more like low sec and null sec because the game is booming out there and that will fix EVE.


    I'm not entirely sure where you're going with that? Those aren't suggestions to make Hi-sec more like Lo-sec, they're more common sense than anything, the first one is the most bandied about phrase in Eve, after HTFU obviously.

    They're more of a call to keep Hi-sec as it is, the system works you just have to be aware of what's going on & where it's happening. After that it's just a matter of temporarily adapting to what others are doing. If someone's put all their eggs in one basket or can't/won't adapt then sorry can't help, should have diversified into other related activities.

    Q, if ducks had forums, would they post threads like these when hunting season opens?

    In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

    New Player FAQ

    Feyd's Survival Pack
    Sri Bolyn
    Disciples of the Void
    #111 - 2012-04-30 16:08:11 UTC
    Alavaria Fera wrote:
    Sri Bolyn wrote:
    I actually remember when low-sec WAS booming. Unfortunately, we pounced on everything that moved and the prey either moved on, quit or went to where they got the most protection; big null-sec alliances.

    Ah, most protection as in "nullsec is actually less risky than high, so high should have more income" ?


    I don't recall mentioning "income". I don't see what that has to do with my post.

    My post dealt with the issue of demonizing and harassing a portion of the player base until they either do it your way or quit. We did that to our detriment in low-sec. It is now a desert.

    Hi-sec has a higher population so it will take longer to stamp them out but I have faith in the mindset represented by players in this thread.

    We should be thankful that most players DON'T read the forums. If 65% of the player-base really knew what was said of them...

    To answer your post directly: Yes, null-sec is safer than hi-sec, both of us know it. That said, I don't really see an injustice there. Your alliance keeps you safe. Good on them.
    Ioci
    Bad Girl Posse
    #112 - 2012-04-30 16:19:35 UTC
    Jonah Gravenstein wrote:


    I'm not entirely sure where you're going with that? Those aren't suggestions to make Hi-sec more like Lo-sec, they're more common sense than anything, the first one is the most bandied about phrase in Eve, after HTFU obviously.

    They're more of a call to keep Hi-sec as it is, the system works you just have to be aware of what's going on & where it's happening. After that it's just a matter of temporarily adapting to what others are doing. If someone's put all their eggs in one basket or can't/won't adapt then sorry can't help, should have diversified into other related activities.

    Q, if ducks had forums, would they post threads like these when hunting season opens?


    The suggestions provided work well for a Vet who has lots of time and back up assets. They work when you have been playing EVE for 5 years and simply put, lack enthusiasm. They work in null sec, a place you have gone to, not started in.

    They are also risk averse options and that as the GD forums have said time and time again, goes against all things EVE.

    R.I.P. Vile Rat
    Kno Bodeesbitch
    Republic Military School
    Minmatar Republic
    #113 - 2012-04-30 16:28:26 UTC
    Jacob Staffuer wrote:
    Sri Bolyn wrote:
    Ioci wrote:
    Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
    Ways to defend yourself without actually doing anything at all 101


  • Don't haul or fly what you can't afford to lose, getting ganked is a risk you accept when you hit undock, carebear or not.

  • If you can't afford to lose it, freight it with someone like redfrog or pushx, it gets ganked you keep the collateral Bear

  • Insure your mission ships and haulers, any financial payback reduces the hit on your wallet.

  • Pimp fits are the equivalent to painting a target on your back, the man in his Artybaddon or Tornado loves your pimp fit tengus, they go squish and drop good loot.Pirate

  • If war decced, don't carry on as normal Roll, you'll probably have 3 choices if crimewatch gets updated, hire mercs, fight them yourself with some allies, blueball the aggressor by playing on an out of corp alt until he gets bored.

  • If you're a miner, fly a retriever for the next month, they're cheaper than hulks, mine in a battleship whatever, just don't mine in an untanked max yield hulk, it's going to die.Pirate

    • I'm a hisec trader/missioner I follow the above and have rarely been popped unless I've done something daft. like accidentally APing into losec, never used the damn thing since.

    Chances that 90% of the next months whine threads come from people that can't follow simple rules? 100%


    Condensed. Lets make high sec more like low sec and null sec because the game is booming out there and that will fix EVE.


    I actually remember when low-sec WAS booming. Unfortunately, we pounced on everything that moved and the prey either moved on, quit or went to where they got the most protection; big null-sec alliances.

    It's a shame that the 'leet guys in thread don't understand the concept of conservation. Soon we will have over-fished hi-sec. It might take longer but from the looks of the average poster's mentality, it is coming nonetheless What?


    Player driven, after all.


    One could also say that of the famine in Ethopia...
    Krixtal Icefluxor
    INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
    #114 - 2012-04-30 16:31:57 UTC
    Kno Bodeesbitch wrote:
    One could also say that of the famine in Ethopia...



    Someone is STUCK in the '80's.

    Feed the World

    "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
    Rico Minali
    Federal Navy Academy
    Gallente Federation
    #115 - 2012-04-30 16:32:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Rico Minali
    Jacob Staffuer wrote:
    Ganking hi-sec players (miners, mission runners, etc) has become a sport, complete with prizes and private, alliance sponsored insurance payouts for ships lost in the process. The fact is if you're in a Hulk or any type of hauler, you are automatically a target and you have almost no way to defend yourself. There are more ships destroyed in hi-sec on any given day than null-sec and low-sec combined.

    For this reason, I am moving to rename "carebears" to "hardbears" and renaming "nullbears" to "carebears".



    So being unprepared to defend yourself, being so disorganised you cant guard or protect a mining fleet, being so apathetic you wont retaliate at the time and being so afraid you wont take the offensive, formup and counterattack makes you hard?

    I am in awe of your hardness.

    Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
    Jonah Gravenstein
    Machiavellian Space Bastards
    #116 - 2012-04-30 16:33:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
    Denying people kills is still PVP, so is flying a retriever rather than a hulk during hulkageddon.

    Hulkageddon pilots want nice fat expensive hulk kills for the prizes, miners want to mine, so while hulks are dying all around, the "risk averse" carebear miner in his retriever may still be mining ore, while the hulk pilots are scrabbling to replace the hulk, and not mining.

    By risk averse you mean minimising risks by adapting your behaviour?

    Tell that to every corp that joined an alliance, security in numbers is minimising risk, it's adaptive behaviour.

    In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

    New Player FAQ

    Feyd's Survival Pack
    Krixtal Icefluxor
    INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
    #117 - 2012-04-30 16:39:21 UTC
    Rico Minali wrote:
    ........ being so apathetic you wont retaliate at the time



    You go chase after fleeing capsules that are already 4 jumps ahead back to null or wherever to re-arm.

    You are only revealing your own stupidity.

    "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
    Ptraci
    3 R Corporation
    #118 - 2012-04-30 16:41:55 UTC
    Kno Bodeesbitch wrote:


    Q:Daddy...where does the stuff come from that makes your scary fighting ship?

    A: Well...you see...when a man likes a ship...the stork comes... Roll


    Newsflash, my dread pilot can also fly a rorq with max skill, as well as amarr and caldari battleships V... so the "pure industrialist" is the one that doesn't belong.
    Darth Gustav
    Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
    #119 - 2012-04-30 16:42:14 UTC
    Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
    Rico Minali wrote:
    ........ being so apathetic you wont retaliate at the time



    You go chase after fleeing capsules that are already 4 jumps ahead back to null or wherever to re-arm.

    You are only revealing your own stupidity.

    Your imagination is blinding me!

    Ever heard of a sensor booster?

    He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
    Simi Kusoni
    HelloKittyFanclub
    #120 - 2012-04-30 16:48:06 UTC
    The D1ngo wrote:
    If you think YOU are hardcore playing any portion of any computer game then may I respectfully suggest you get a life.

    You,Syndicate scrub, should try taking a subway, crossing the street, running a 5k or going 1 round in the ring if you think you are hard core. Roll

    Why would I voluntarily run anywhere? My god, that sounds positively barbaric.

    No thank you good sir, I think I shall sit back, chain smoke some badly rolled cigarettes and dress up in my mothers underwear. Although I must admit, it is getting a little chilly in the basement.

    The D1ngo wrote:
    I know "Eve is Real" for some of you but writing stuff like, "I 'live' (somewhere) in fake space therefore I am a tough guy" is just pathetic.

    It's a game...whether you derive enjoyment from mining rocks or mining tears...it's just a game.

    Yes, but you aren't getting into the spirit of it very well, are you? Sometimes I question your dedication Sad

    The D1ngo wrote:
    P.S. I just watched my girlfriend paint her nails. She used bright red instead of doing a French Manicure! It was sooooo hardcore! I think I may be getting an understanding of where some of you are coming from. Carry on.

    I'm not even sure of the relevance, or objective, of this statement. But it has left me with an odd curiosity concerning the difference between using bright red nail varnish, and performing a French manicure.

    I hate you to the very depths of my barren little soul for the 20 minutes of my life I'm going to have to waste satisfying my curiosity over this matter.

    [center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]