EVE General Discussion

Tallian Saotome, so what your saying is... someone at the top did not like what you had to say either. Cool. Can we be brosefs now? Just remember to say no homo afterward, else our manly love might be misconstrued by others.

I am not well vised with this new and hip term? Can you explain?

Must. Not. Google....

You do realise that the people who plex are actually worth "more" than you, right?


Worst case scenario for CC (i.e. monthly sub) --> $15.00
PLEX --> $17.50 (well, $17.495)

Oh, I can't disagree with you there, entirely. However, it has reached a point where nerfs of this nature are cutting so close to the bone that they will destroy the sandbox. If that happens, well, EVE dies and CCP fails, because the majority carebears are known to be a temporary, short term users, while 'hardcore' players are guaranteed money if you keep them. 'Hardcore' players are a reliable long term revenue stream, and while its not a LARGE revenue stream, its enough to keep the company afloat.

CCP has to ask themselves, a short term, large income, or a long term moderate income.

On top of this, the 'hardcore' players provide most of the content that people come to play EVE for, which means if you alienate them you no longer have stories in the press about Burn Jita, or the Guiding Hand Social Club heist, which have proven to be the absolute best marketing for EVE there is(we all know the CCP generated content is pretty crap, in terms of gameplay). Hulkageddon is one of the most well know player run events that occur in a regular basis.

So, the final question is this: Will CCP keep to the spirit of the game, and leave the sandbox alive, keeping the sure money, or are they going to gamble on the big money from getting the carebear market(also known as casual in wider gaming circles)and risk the company.

And here is where I point out that CCP already tried to gamble on the big money, and Monoclegate was the result.

I'm not saying you are wrong, but I am saying that I pray CCP learned their lesson from Incarna, and doesn't make the same mistakes of catering to the carebear crowd again.

all plex needs is someone willing to shell out $17 for (or $34.95 for a GTC). it's no different than selling any other item from a store (e.g. a new T-shirt from [insert clothing store here] ... and they seem to do alright with "hm, we don't know if people will come in on a certain date").

Sub -> $15 from (player A) on the first of the month
PLEX --> $17 from (player B) on the 17th, which is then resold ingame to (Player C) for however many million ISK, and applied to Player C's account on the whateverth.

Now, obviously, having "too many" PLEX out there ends up being a liability (oh, hey, we have to give another "free" month out to everyone because we had two months of unused PLEX sitting in people's hangars from 3 months ago) ... but that's getting a lot farther into economics than I'm familiar with.

Its like 2011 never happened. Seriously CCP cannot use plex based income to sustain the kind of loan they had running in 2011 (reportedly $12mil), nor could they use it to apply for new loans - because it manifestly failed to meet financial objectives and caused them to need to lay off 20% of their staff in 2011. They also indicate that there are about 40,000 people using plexes and gtcs. ie the bulk of the user base is subbed.

Please direct me to stats that support your assertion? I mean, we would not want people to assume that your pulling numbers out of your ass or anything.


* eagerly awaits.

30x, i think. Something like a 10mil T2 catalyst to a 330 mil hulk (if it has no tank and none of that fancy faction stuff).

Ratio looks worse if the hulk tanks and you need two catalysts, and of course better if you are somehow able to get the pod, which might have implants. Not easy to get pods in highsec though!

I believe the latest nerf I know of the boomerang ting was because a guy came on the forums and blabbed everything youd ever have to know about it then CCP ruled it an exploit. He did it with two or three other things in that same thread and eventually started crying cause CCP was calling all the neat things he figured out exploits.

THEN in subsequent forum posts he bragged how he found the exploit,, exploited its use and the like. Cant remember the guys' name but I havent seen him in a while.