Missions & Complexes

This thread is to discuss the nerf to lowsec incursions only. Please keep hisec incursion discussion in another thread.

As you are all aware, CCP has nerfed incursions. While generally seen as a required nerf by everybody - incursioners included- it is also the general consensus that the nerf has gone too far.

In lowsec, many things need to occur before an incursion can be taken on.
- many many carrier jumps are required to get pilot ships to the incursion location. Usually 10 or so trips/carrier pilots are required. Some people fly their ships from one incursion to the next, but this is unneccess risk and sometimes results in a lost ship.
- due to the carrier shipping Requirment, many cyno alts need to be organized to jump these carriers to the destination. This takes massive amounts of pre-planning and coordination among the pilots involvled.
- also due to the carrier shipping requirement, contracts need to be issued, logged, and tracked. This is a hugely complex task when 70+ pilots are involved, and requires massive amounts of coordination among contract issuers, contract loggers, and contract receivers.
- Once all the ships are at the location, contracts are again re issued back to the individual pilots. This also takes a large amount of coordination to ensure everyone receives the correct ship and gear. This isn't as easy as one would normally think as courier contracts are not used, and packaged ships cannot be shipped usually.
- now that everyone has their ships and gear, a POS usually needs to be setup for safety. This also needs to be hauled from one incursion to the next, requiring additional resources (usually a rorqual or JF)
- time is taken to set up the POS
- from the time an incursion spawns to the time things are redy usually takes anywhere from 4 to 8 hours.

Pilots are assigned squads, and things get going if here are enough people. Unfortunately a lot of the times, there isn't enough people to fill a squad. This requires pilots to sit actively in the game, essentially doing nothing until enough people show up in the proper ship types to take on the incursion.

Once there are enough people, the incursion can be taken on. Unfortunately, this is lowsec, and roaming gangs sometimes come through looking for a fight. This either means we head to the safety of the POS if it I deemed they are actively hunting us, or we re-ship at the POS and fight them off. Again, more time wasted. This has sometimes taken several hours.

As you can see, lowsec incursions are a different beast entirely when compared to their hisec distant cousin (twice removed) where running an incursion used to be:
- Fly to system
- Wait in queue (usually not tho)
- Make isk forever without fear of roaming gangs

Obviously, lowsec incursions need to be dealt with on a different level. The mass-nerf currently in place has made incursions in lowsec completely unviable as an income source. Unfortunately, despite the great cooperative gameplay and social aspect it provided, nobody is running them anymore. People are instead doing solo level 4s or going to wormholes. This leaves a great aspect of EvE completely barren, which I hope this post provides enough incentive for CCP to take another look at lowsec incursions.

That, or give us our own personal incursion teleporter and invincibility while doing them.
Please keep unconstrctive comments to yourself. It only makes you look illiterate.

Thanks for listening.

No that wasn't constructive at all. In fact, I feel stupider for having read it.

At no point did I mention anything about making lowsec 'safer'. I suggest you read it again.

Wut? This is lowsec we are talking about, remember. Lowsec in a 1bil+ isk ship. When is the last time u took your expensive ship into lowsec?

I will give u the benefit of the doubt, and offer you a chance to explain your statement.

Also posts like yours... See the 'illiterate' comment in th OP.

Yea.. I second this +1

I see no difference between this ( low sec ) post and any other Incursion post . You said it is a logistical nightmare ? How many people actualy do the transportation and how many simply make the contracts ? Exactly the same is done in Empire . Those who run the chanels and comunities have to transport all the lyavite + PoS ( in case there are no stations in the solar system ) + Spare basis + OGB's + spare modules + ammo of all sorts + long range and short range guns . Do you think that all of it just gets there on its own ?

Omg it's lowsec Ima badass kuz me b jumpin' teh gates in ma bill mac ?

In lowsec / Null you shoot what you see if you do not like it . In Empire you have to take in the face . Everything that the gank fleet throws at you and pop or be lucky and live another day . Only then , after you have been shoot at , you can return fire . ... if you have a ship to fire with . Empire is the most dangerous place . It provides the dull pilot with the illusion of safety and then kills him

Come on, get real..............

I am sorry but you are not special :/

WTF has CCP done to W-space with Inferno or Escalation? is Wormhole wendy giving Hilmar handies to ignore W-Space for the Escalation & Inferno patches? CCP's daft hand breaks everything they touch IMHO

op nerf plox

last I remember, those nullbears are the one that pvp in tengu and actually lose them, see the keyword "lose".

anyway, you're talking as if incursion runners are the only consumers in the whole new eden.

As I remember I spend 5b the last month to buy bhaal, scanning proteus and assorted faction mods just to pvp, not to pimp my won't-ever-lose bearing boats

EDIT: wh space dont have booster product, please get a clue

eventually, you're just a big fat bears afraid of losing ships and can't stand danger of anywhere but HS