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I think Tengu is too much powerful

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#101 - 2012-04-26 21:52:04 UTC
Kyoko Yamakawa wrote:
every time i met Tengu, i got killed. what kind of ship can fight Tengu? Even it's tech 3 cruiser, it still is a Cruiser. This bloody Cruiser broken the balance of this game. it can fight most ships but capital ships. Cry



If Chuck Norris was a ship he'd be a Tengu

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madsamo
Outer Haven Inc
#102 - 2012-04-26 22:09:09 UTC
Neut it, it will die immediately. A someone who has lost a couple, a solo pilgrim will raep a Tengu, or 2 Canes with neuts
Andy Landen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#103 - 2012-04-26 22:12:12 UTC
No. Tengu is fine. Want to kill a Tengu? Fly a Tengu. Fly a Proteus. Fly a Legion. Fly with skills. Fly smart. The latter two may be your issue.

Only supers are game breaking .. but I digress. Your opinion does not define game breaking. Facts do. Fact is that the Proteus has killer dps. Ever met a Rook? Tengu watch out.

"We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them." Albert Einstein 

Kobalos
Carebears -With- Guns
Goonswarm Federation
#104 - 2012-04-26 22:28:38 UTC
Vladimir Norkoff wrote:
All I'm hearing from you is excuse after excuse. Just be there. P



Bro, I don't know you or Liang and I know I blow at PVP. What I do know is that you sound like a ***** whose afraid to put-up or shut-up. I would say that I could almost hear the tremor in your voice, but I know sure as **** that if you were in front of someone face-to-face, your ass wouldn't even be talking. Meet Liang in Null or take a walk.

- Kobalos Big smile
Kalli Brixzat
#105 - 2012-04-26 22:38:18 UTC
Kyoko Yamakawa wrote:
every time i met Tengu, i got killed. what kind of ship can fight Tengu? Even it's tech 3 cruiser, it still is a Cruiser. This bloody Cruiser broken the balance of this game. it can fight most ships but capital ships. Cry


This made my day...thanks for the lolz.
Kaanchana
Tax-haven
#106 - 2012-04-27 01:35:11 UTC
i don't mean to be superfluous, but have u you guys seen the posts by GHSC? or brick squad kill boards?

The easiest way to kill a tengu is to gank him at undock or at gate. Two tornados, one volley each and you got yourself some shiny loots.
Boomhaur
#107 - 2012-04-28 08:43:03 UTC
Defender Missiles, that is all.

/end sarcasm

Welcome to Eve. Everyone here is an Evil Sick Sadistic Bastard who is out to get you. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either trying to scam you or use you.

Hesidak Uroboroon
Doomheim
#108 - 2012-04-28 16:01:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Hesidak Uroboroon
Wow i never knew the Tengu was so good at PVP. Could someone link a fit?

The U.S. Navy has developed a railgun that can hit a target the size of a watermelon from about 200km away.  its probably around 8,000 years in the future, we can go faster then light, be immortal, teleport capital ships, communicate instantly, mine asteroids and make ships invisible,yet still our railguns can't even hit a massive spaceship over 100km....

Sunviking
Doomheim
#109 - 2012-04-29 13:48:21 UTC
There are plenty of counters to the Tengu, no matter what fit the Tengu has.

Need to kill 100mn Heavy Missile Tengus kiting at 70km+? Use Laser Battleships wth pure EM damage.

Need to kill close range HAM Tengu? Neut him and web him, as others have said.

The new boosted Assault Ships are fast enough and powerful enough to get the kiting 100mn Tengus, too.

The underlying problem, is that everybody still wants to fight in Blobs of the same ship, and then they complain when they come against something they have no counter for.
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#110 - 2012-04-29 16:56:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Mfume Apocal
Hesidak Uroboroon wrote:
Wow i never knew the Tengu was so good at PVP. Could someone link a fit?


Something like this for solo/small gang stuff.

[Tengu, 100MN AST (LSB)]
Ballistic Control System II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
True Sansha Reactor Control Unit
Damage Control II

Core A-Type 100MN Afterburner
Gist B-Type Large Shield Booster
Imperial Navy Medium Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Trauma Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Trauma Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Trauma Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Trauma Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Trauma Heavy Missile

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst



This for fleet stuff:
[Tengu, ~tengu~]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

10MN Afterburner II
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
EM Ward Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Explosive Deflection Field II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Trauma Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Trauma Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Trauma Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Trauma Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Trauma Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Trauma Heavy Missile

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening

It's basically better than AHACs in every way except cost.
Viribus
Wilderness
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
#111 - 2012-04-29 20:17:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Viribus
People whining about the overpoweredness of tengus need to realize that they're typically flown with a boosting alt, a bunch of plugs, and deadspace mods. Fit up a 100mn tengu with T2 mods and no implants or links and see how well it does, then when you die to a single armour cane tell me how OP tengus are.

Tengus scale extremely well with these things but so does pretty much any kiting or active tanked ship. It's like whining that Hyperions are overpowered because (with a faction fit, slaves, numon, and a legion boosting) they tank 2.5k DPS with 110k ehp, or that nanodrakes are overpowered because (with a loki boosting) they go 1.4km/s and can point out to 36km.

Watch that video of pirolat fitting basically the same stuff to a drake and smacking up some bads with a ton of force multipliers in the form of expensive mods, implants, and links. You can do this with literally any ship, it just happens that the tengu is the fastest and has reliable damage projection and is thus really easy to fly.

EDIT: Also "there aren't many ships that can kill it 1v1" is a horrible idea of "balance". Oversized AB ships are specialized for solo and is thus fit and flown to be most effective on its own, no **** you're gonna have a hard time killing it 1v1. When all you fly are babbymode buffer tanked drakes and canes don't act surprised when an active-tanked ship slaps you silly 1v1.
Cloned S0ul
POCKOCMOC Inc.
#112 - 2012-04-30 02:02:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Cloned S0ul
Maybe Rook with ecm, or Amarr recon with neuts ? And remember to use boosters, controled overheat, paste etc. If you stand face to face against pro pilot you need to use those things.
snake pies
Dixon Cox Butte Preservation Society
#113 - 2012-04-30 04:22:15 UTC
[Curse, tengu trap]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II

Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Nosferatu II
Medium Nosferatu II

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I


Hammerhead II x5
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#114 - 2012-04-30 05:09:35 UTC
snake pies wrote:
[Curse, tengu trap]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II

Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Nosferatu II
Medium Nosferatu II

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I


Hammerhead II x5


You really don't want to use thermal drones against the Tengu's naturally high thermal resist.
Saladinae
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#115 - 2012-04-30 05:52:53 UTC
Vladimir Norkoff wrote:
So u find lame excusez not 2 fight me?! U r scared littel gurly! Haha!!! I b waitng 4 u anyway in case u get bigboy ballz.

And please preach to me about how EvE works Liang. I have zero understanding of the game. All I understand is EFT. I just roll in my giant alliance blobs, press F1 when they tell me too, and afterwards argue officer EFT fits on VENT after the enemy cheated and sent us all back to the clonebay. (/sarcasm

Believe me, I would LOVE there to be a single rock to the 100mnAB Tengu scissors. If it did exist there would be plenty of examples. You would have plenty of killmail examples already. You might even have a kill history that implied that you killed something larger than a frigate by yourself. But you don't. Which continues to make me believe you are full of fecal matter.

Please point me to something that makes me believe in you Liang.



I've been watching her troll the forums since this character was created (2010). She does nothing but pretend to know something and avoids any demonstration when demanded to provide an example of her knowledge.

Show us one loadout that can directly counter a 100MN tengu that is not a 100MN cruiser or a t3 cruiser 1v1. Also, if you're "afraid of eft-warriors misunderstanding" your loadout, you can communicate this loadout with TEXT as well.

Winmatar > Everything else

Soon Shin
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
#116 - 2012-04-30 06:07:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Soon Shin
Tengus are fairly easy to counter since they have an obvious damage type which is kinetic, any other damage type falls by 25%.

400-500 dps Tengu with kinetic becomes a 300-400 with nonkinetic.

A dual Webbed myrmidon if it successfully tackles the tengu will kill it while trivially tanking its damage with dual reps.

Dual prop Loki with Afterburner and MWD can hold the Tengu in place while speed tanking the damage with an Afterburner.

With an afterburner you'll reduce damage from missiles in half, lowering it to a laughable 200-250 dps.

Think of a Tengu as a Cynabal or Vagabond, if you hate dealing with a Tengu, then you will hate dealing with a Cynabal or a Vagabond that can move faster than a Tengu with greater agility and has the ability to kill tackling Frigates.

NERF TENGUS NERF VAGABOND AND CYNABAL, NERF EVERYTHING I CAN'T HULK SMASH MINDLESSLY!

In terms of arguing T3 ships, why not argue about T2 ships as well.

OMG HACs can beat my Battlecruiser or Battleship. OMG Sleipnir rapes my hurricane. or WAH NO FAIR the Absolution melted my Harbinger.

Wah I can't beat these ships just because they require more skills and more Expensive.

BOO HOO Cry some more Babies!

You expect to be able to beat HACs with regular cruisers or Command ships with regular BC on a 1 vs 1. Great Real!

There would be no reason to fly higher class ships if a lower level ship could beat it 1 vs 1 solo. Assuming you're not an idiot.

If there's a HAC, you bring more cruisers if you can't bring one yourself. If there's a Command Ship, the same except for more Battlecruisers.

Money and Skills should make a difference when 1 vs 1 someone. If I invested more money and time into something I should expect to have an advantage over someone who hasn't in a 1 VS 1 situation.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#117 - 2012-04-30 06:36:30 UTC
Saladinae wrote:
Vladimir Norkoff wrote:
So u find lame excusez not 2 fight me?! U r scared littel gurly! Haha!!! I b waitng 4 u anyway in case u get bigboy ballz.

And please preach to me about how EvE works Liang. I have zero understanding of the game. All I understand is EFT. I just roll in my giant alliance blobs, press F1 when they tell me too, and afterwards argue officer EFT fits on VENT after the enemy cheated and sent us all back to the clonebay. (/sarcasm

Believe me, I would LOVE there to be a single rock to the 100mnAB Tengu scissors. If it did exist there would be plenty of examples. You would have plenty of killmail examples already. You might even have a kill history that implied that you killed something larger than a frigate by yourself. But you don't. Which continues to make me believe you are full of fecal matter.

Please point me to something that makes me believe in you Liang.



I've been watching her troll the forums since this character was created (2010). She does nothing but pretend to know something and avoids any demonstration when demanded to provide an example of her knowledge.

Show us one loadout that can directly counter a 100MN tengu that is not a 100MN cruiser or a t3 cruiser 1v1. Also, if you're "afraid of eft-warriors misunderstanding" your loadout, you can communicate this loadout with TEXT as well.


I prefer communicating with you via the TEXT of your loss mail.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Viribus
Wilderness
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
#118 - 2012-04-30 06:42:12 UTC
Saladinae wrote:
[quote=Vladimir Norkoff]Show us one loadout that can directly counter a 100MN tengu that is not a 100MN cruiser or a t3 cruiser 1v1. Also, if you're "afraid of eft-warriors misunderstanding" your loadout, you can communicate this loadout with TEXT as well.


1v1 scenarios are idiotic, especially when discussing kiting fits. Especially with your stupid arbitrary conditions.

But yeah a dualweb bhaalgorn will smack up a 100mn tengu 1v1, probably cheaper to fit up too, heh
Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
#119 - 2012-04-30 08:04:37 UTC
Holy necro Batman!

I thought this thread was dead. And why are people quoting me so much?! I particularly like the bit with the smack-talking me a month after the fact. Gotta love these forums! Big smile
Danny John-Peter
The Congregation
RAPID HEAVY ROPERS
#120 - 2012-04-30 13:37:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Danny John-Peter
Just while were necroing this god awful thread

http://kb.cva-eve.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=229675

No nothing can kill Tengus...

(Copy paste it, clicking it doesnt work for some reason)