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Hulkageddon and WHs

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Zhor Blade
Green Goobies
#1 - 2012-04-29 04:14:07 UTC
Anyone ever experience an extra amount of traffic during Hulkageddon? Seems WHs would be a pretty decent target.
discordigant
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-04-29 04:17:41 UTC
This doesn't affect us at all.
Messoroz
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#3 - 2012-04-29 04:22:08 UTC
Zhor Blade wrote:
Anyone ever experience an extra amount of traffic during Hulkageddon? Seems WHs would be a pretty decent target.


They aren't already? It takes just as long to find miners before and after miners during Hulkageddon. Only a dumbass would waste time looking for hulks in wspace when they can gank one by warping to the top belt in any highsec.
Maggeridon Thoraz
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-04-29 04:25:03 UTC
in wh there is 24/7 Hulgageddon.
Nemo deBlanc
Resource Acquisition Unlimited
#5 - 2012-04-29 04:56:06 UTC
You're kidding, right? WH's are a horrible target. You bring a few ships in hulk-hunting, there's a very good chance they'll never make it back to high sec.

And just to echo the above, this doesn't affect us. At all. I literally could not care less what happens in high sec. If every high sec ship in the game spontaneously combusted tomorrow, I'd probably lol.
Drunein
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#6 - 2012-04-29 05:13:43 UTC
Hulkageddon is for all those kids that don't know how to operate without a system member list.

Us WH pilots play POSageddon.
Nendail Smith
Lockheed Nighthawk
#7 - 2012-04-29 05:27:53 UTC
Nemo deBlanc wrote:
You're kidding, right? WH's are a horrible target. You bring a few ships in hulk-hunting, there's a very good chance they'll never make it back to high sec.

And just to echo the above, this doesn't affect us. At all. I literally could not care less what happens in high sec. If every high sec ship in the game spontaneously combusted tomorrow, I'd probably lol.


I'd dance a jig! Especially the mission fit and pvp t3's! You know how much that would push the prices up for our parts!?!
Leontyne Gaterau
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-04-29 12:06:25 UTC
I like Hulkageddon because I like shooting sleepers.

Did you see what I did there? Didya? Didya?
Lexylia
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-04-29 13:11:08 UTC
Maggeridon Thoraz wrote:
in wh there is 24/7 Hulgageddon.


This man speak the truth
Pythag Malikai
The Terrifying League Of Dog Fort
Deepwater Hooligans
#10 - 2012-04-29 13:30:48 UTC
The only way you're catching Hulks in WH space is if they're asleep at the wheel (e.g. not watching D-Scan). Of course, since mining is crazy boring, I'm sure the number of people who aren't watching D-Scan is actually pretty high.

I personally haven't seen much luck in catching miners in Grav sites in wormholes.
Zhor Blade
Green Goobies
#11 - 2012-04-29 13:44:09 UTC
Yeah. The only reason I was asking is because I do find myself only checking d-scan every 3-5 minutes while mining Gravs. I'm in a C1 with lowsec static so I don't get a lot of visitors.

I figured I couldn't be the only one letting my guard down on occasion. Of course I would still probably see the probes before they actually pinned me down though. Hopefully.
Vjorn Angannon
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#12 - 2012-04-29 15:12:24 UTC
Zhor Blade wrote:
Of course I would still probably see the probes before they actually pinned me down though. Hopefully.


If someone who is hunting you really knows what he is doing....his probes should be visible on your dscan for 10~12 seconds max.
Archdaimon
Merchants of the Golden Goose
#13 - 2012-04-29 17:55:44 UTC
Vjorn Angannon wrote:
Zhor Blade wrote:
Of course I would still probably see the probes before they actually pinned me down though. Hopefully.


If someone who is hunting you really knows what he is doing....his probes should be visible on your dscan for 10~12 seconds max.


Lies.

You are quite safe mining in WH space. Keep doing it! Don't listen to the haters.

Wormholes have the best accoustics. It's known. - Sing it for me -

Bernie Nator
Seal Club Six
Plug N Play
#14 - 2012-04-29 18:22:34 UTC
Just remember hi sec miners; wormholes are totally safe and you can totally come mine in them. Nothing bad will happen at all.
Lexylia
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-04-29 18:29:01 UTC
Bernie Nator wrote:
Just remember hi sec miners; wormholes are totally safe and you can totally come mine in them. Nothing bad will happen at all.


100% truth we respect minier and thier part of keep the economy run.
Mumtaz Khan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2012-04-29 19:24:49 UTC
We get a lot of extra traffic when we get high sec exits, because we are sending out swarms of catalysts to kill all miners, haulers, and salvagers. This sec status isn't going to wreck itself, y'know.
drdxie
#17 - 2012-04-29 20:31:01 UTC
I can confirm, mining in a WH is safe.. i have yet to loose a hulk to a suicide ganker in a destroyer.. even after the buff to their damage.

Caldari Loving needed.. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1608277&#post1608277

Malkev
Tribal Liberation Force
#18 - 2012-04-29 20:33:55 UTC
Bernie Nator wrote:
Just remember hi sec miners; wormholes are totally safe and you can totally come mine in them. Nothing bad will happen at all.

And even if something bad does happen, just wait an hour or so and go back to mining in the same site!
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#19 - 2012-04-30 02:18:26 UTC
ppl may make semi-sarcastic "w-space mining is safe" comments but, IMO, it **is** safer than highsec mining ... providing you do it properly.

If you're in a grav site then probes are needed to find you – either at the time or to locate the site beforehand.

If your intending attacker scans down the sites beforehand and waits or comes back then there’s not an awful lot you can do about that except be aligned, watchful, and cautious … and a stationary miner is not highly likely to get into warp before a covops frig gets a point on him (except if said frig is piloted by an incompetent like me). OFC DS-spamming is all you have to protect you against the incoming non-covops and even the most cautious miner will have trouble maintaining adequate frequency of DS checks for the long time you spend harvesting that high-end ore.

If your attacker has not pre-scanned the sites he does not need to have probes within your DS detection range for an awful long time. So, again your main protector is DS-spamming.

OFC, another element of “doing it properly” is the management of your wormholes. I usually mined when I had a very secure system. I would collapse the static and not activate the new one, and I would have no other active wormholes in-system. While mining I always had my scanner-dood cloaked with a max-range DS probe deployed … looking for new wormholes spawning and / or unexpected ships in system. If a new sig appeared I’d keep mining and he’d scan the sig to see if it was a new wormhole … all the while keeping a watch for any ships coming thru it. If an unexpected ship appeared, without a new WH spawning, it’d be everyone heading back to the POS right away … coz we got ourselves a camper.

My other observation, from my last few weeks of intensively hunting through low-end w-space, is that not an awful lot of w-space mining is going on out there. When I find an active system the activity is sleeper-killing 90+% of the time. The vast majority of the rest is industry / PI and twice they were harvesting gas. Only once, out of a hundred or so systems recently visited, have I found mining ships in space … and they packed up and logged just as I located the grav site Big smile

So, as for Hulkageddon impacting w-space miners - ROFL! Any w-space miner who gets caught is prolly dead anyways, whether or not hulkageddon is happening. The majority of ppl who do hulkageddon (rawrrr, moar, & yo ho ho) are usually not up to coping with w-space dynamics and I reckon the likelihood of them getting themselves killed, rather than their intended targets, is prolly pretty high. Yawn!!

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.

discordigant
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-04-30 02:26:03 UTC
Substantia Nigra wrote:
ppl may make semi-sarcastic "w-space mining is safe" comments but, IMO, it **is** safer than highsec mining ... providing you do it properly.

If you're in a grav site then probes are needed to find you – either at the time or to locate the site beforehand.

If your intending attacker scans down the sites beforehand and waits or comes back then there’s not an awful lot you can do about that except be aligned, watchful, and cautious … and a stationary miner is not highly likely to get into warp before a covops frig gets a point on him (except if said frig is piloted by an incompetent like me). OFC DS-spamming is all you have to protect you against the incoming non-covops and even the most cautious miner will have trouble maintaining adequate frequency of DS checks for the long time you spend harvesting that high-end ore.

If your attacker has not pre-scanned the sites he does not need to have probes within your DS detection range for an awful long time. So, again your main protector is DS-spamming.

OFC, another element of “doing it properly” is the management of your wormholes. I usually mined when I had a very secure system. I would collapse the static and not activate the new one, and I would have no other active wormholes in-system. While mining I always had my scanner-dood cloaked with a max-range DS probe deployed … looking for new wormholes spawning and / or unexpected ships in system. If a new sig appeared I’d keep mining and he’d scan the sig to see if it was a new wormhole … all the while keeping a watch for any ships coming thru it. If an unexpected ship appeared, without a new WH spawning, it’d be everyone heading back to the POS right away … coz we got ourselves a camper.

My other observation, from my last few weeks of intensively hunting through low-end w-space, is that not an awful lot of w-space mining is going on out there. When I find an active system the activity is sleeper-killing 90+% of the time. The vast majority of the rest is industry / PI and twice they were harvesting gas. Only once, out of a hundred or so systems recently visited, have I found mining ships in space … and they packed up and logged just as I located the grav site Big smile

So, as for Hulkageddon impacting w-space miners - ROFL! Any w-space miner who gets caught is prolly dead anyways, whether or not hulkageddon is happening. The majority of ppl who do hulkageddon (rawrrr, moar, & yo ho ho) are usually not up to coping with w-space dynamics and I reckon the likelihood of them getting themselves killed, rather than their intended targets, is prolly pretty high. Yawn!!



Some solid advice for people new to WH's, if you take every precaution your only threat should be a camper that has previously scanned down the grav and lies in wait for hours in the hope you crush connections and start mining.

But that's if you err like mining i suppose.
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