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Aktaku
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2012-04-28 07:23:13 UTC
Tickled Pink
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#62 - 2012-04-28 07:23:48 UTC
Father Snuggles
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#63 - 2012-04-28 07:24:04 UTC
Jade Blackclaw
Lightspeed Enterprises
Goonswarm Federation
#64 - 2012-04-28 07:24:18 UTC
Kilmate
BallBreaker AllDayLong
#65 - 2012-04-28 07:26:56 UTC
LinearBurn Aideron wrote:
I would like to know how its ok for a corp or a aliance to overwelming concord giving them free reign to gank people in empire. If i found a way to adviod concord, I would be warned or baned. Why is it not the same for them? Empire is a simi safe place for new and old players, however the players involved in the jita gank fest ther actions disrupted gameplay and created a bad experance for many players that do not want to be involved in there combat or war. I thought it is our choice or right weither we want to go in to low sec or not , however this was forced upon us with out any warning or concideration from CCP. I did not lose any ship or was even fired on. I am asking a legitment question how is it ok for one group to exploit the system, and not any one else. I would like a offical responce to this. Im not flaming or gripeing im asking a legitment question.



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Still want to play in the sand box??Pirate
LadyBird Johnson
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2012-04-28 07:30:48 UTC
DrDan21
Perkone
Caldari State
#67 - 2012-04-28 07:34:10 UTC
qDoctor Strangelove
Doomheim
#68 - 2012-04-28 07:44:11 UTC
Tauren Tom wrote:
Well, from what's been said a fleet report was filed with CCP and they had plenty of notice so it is quite legitimate that Goons can "burn" Jita as they wish.

And if you're looking for a reason why someone can overwhelm concord with force/numbers? Read the books "EvE The Empyrean Age" Where the minmatar Elders overwhelm CONCORD and destroy the CONCORD control / order relay station.


I love that book.
After reading it, a lot of EVE things fell into place.
D'Kelle
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2012-04-28 08:39:53 UTC
LinearBurn Aideron wrote:
I would like to know how its ok for a corp or a aliance to overwelming concord giving them free reign to gank people in empire. If i found a way to adviod concord, I would be warned or baned. Why is it not the same for them? Empire is a simi safe place for new and old players, however the players involved in the jita gank fest ther actions disrupted gameplay and created a bad experance for many players that do not want to be involved in there combat or war. I thought it is our choice or right weither we want to go in to low sec or not , however this was forced upon us with out any warning or concideration from CCP. I did not lose any ship or was even fired on. I am asking a legitment question how is it ok for one group to exploit the system, and not any one else. I would like a offical responce to this. Im not flaming or gripeing im asking a legitment question.


Don’t worry about the trolls they are simply naive attention seekers, they are so involved and overcome by their personal perception of their own “apparent” clever wit. They will not and cannot debate any issue that involves more than 10 words it’s the strain on the brain you see sad but true, all their effort of thinking goes into just moving their trigger finger leaving precious little else for normal interaction, occasionally you get one that is a fraction more evolved than the rest and can string a sentence or two together, but can be identified using text speak with comments and are of a derogatory nature aimed at individuals, that being the limit of their poor strained ability to converse or debate a subject in an adequate rational manner.
But back to your question, they get away with it because basically CCP are intimidated by the RL groups who may cause further disruption to EVE or would withdraw their subscriptions money.
They incapable of controlling them so they ban an individual as opposed to groups, its simply easier that way financially and politically for them.

Thats the way it is.
Roxwar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#70 - 2012-04-28 09:05:08 UTC
LinearBurn Aideron wrote:
Tah'ris Khlador wrote:
Translation: JITA IS BURNING! CCP DO SOMETHING! NO ONE TOLD ME IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN!



well thats not realy my point ...... I just wondering why its ok for a group of people to disrupt game play and exploit the system is all if i did it as a private individual i would be punished or baned


Because EVE is a sandbox. Deal with it.

Also, we are not exploiting anything, griefing is a part of the above mentioned sandbox.

On a more personal level, any chance you could bottle those carebear tears for me? They sell for a tidy little profit in null......
ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers
#71 - 2012-04-28 12:17:39 UTC
LinearBurn Aideron wrote:
I would like to know how its ok for a corp or a aliance to overwelming concord giving them free reign to gank people in empire. If i found a way to adviod concord, I would be warned or baned. Why is it not the same for them? Empire is a simi safe place for new and old players, however the players involved in the jita gank fest ther actions disrupted gameplay and created a bad experance for many players that do not want to be involved in there combat or war. I thought it is our choice or right weither we want to go in to low sec or not , however this was forced upon us with out any warning or concideration from CCP. I did not lose any ship or was even fired on. I am asking a legitment question how is it ok for one group to exploit the system, and not any one else. I would like a offical responce to this. Im not flaming or gripeing im asking a legitment question.



well first off it is not forced uponyou... ITS ONE FRACKING SYSTEM! there are plenty of other systems to go and visit and other trade hubs to go and trade at for the next few days.
As for warning, there has been threadnaughts galore ont his for the past few weeks and most systems i been in have been all a buzz with the "burn Jita thing" if you REALLY need a massive full screen warning every day fora good month to get it to sink in that something bad will happen if you enter one of the few thousend systems of eve, well there is something wrong with you.. and im not just talking about your english.

And of course as for the whole avoiding concord... well they are not. infact they are loseing ships by the hundreds at the moment.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#72 - 2012-04-28 13:03:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Destiny Corrupted
Arathella wrote:
Again if you make broad statements like "most western courts seem to agree with this line..." you have to be prepared to support it with the references to at least multiple court rulings on the subject that support this assertion. To my knowledge there hasn't been any judgement that established legal boundaries between virtual and real world.

Neither have there been rulings that one specifically doesn't exist.

Arathella wrote:
Anyway, the point here is there are quite a few grey areas that haven't been tested in the court and assertions like "griefing is not harrassment" or "everything that happens in this video game stays inside this video game" are uneducated guesses at best.

They keep getting tested, not in a player versus player format, but in an advocacy group versus game company format. These cases consistently flop because of first amendment rights.

Arathella wrote:
What about ill famous singing ransom incidents? Do they also stay inside this video game?

If a person wants to sing to keep his in-game items, that's his choice. Even if the ransom isn't honored, the risks are outlined quite well during the sign-up process.

Arathella wrote:
Or for argument sake let's say I make a racially charged remark towards an avatar that looks like a black person. Can I argue that it doesn't have real life implications and should stay in the game simply because I don't know the person behind the avatar? Where do you draw the line and stop applying real world moral and legal principles?

Racism (in any form) counts as harassment in every western MMO I've ever played, and probably in all others I haven't. This is something that the game companies police quite well.

Look, the point is, signing up for a game like EVE is no different from signing up for a poker tournament. Both cost you money, both provide you with entertainment, and both carry the risk of losing your investment (or your winnings during the game itself). Can you sue the other players in a poker tournament if you lose your money, and it causes you emotional distress? Can you sue the other players because they continuously win hands, leading you to aggravation stemming from what you perceive as a lack of fairness?

There are tens of millions of MMO gamers in the Western nations. Do you really think that only a slim handful of people have ever tried to sue for damages inside of a video game? No, there have been many, many attempts to do this. The reason you don't see or hear anything about these attempts is because the cases get immediately thrown out. There's simply no legal precedent for "I played a video game and lost, now I want the winner's dollars to compensate me for emotional damages."

Racism, real-life threats of bodily harm and property damage = harassment.
Beating another player in a competitive gaming environment is not harassment.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Bella Rugente
Perkone
Caldari State
#73 - 2012-04-28 13:14:22 UTC
LinearBurn Aideron wrote:
I dont live in jita and visit it rarely none of this is my point im argueing the Rules and pore excution of the enforcement of the rules and how the machanics are being exploited


So aside from having virtually no grasp of the English language, you weren't even in Jita to witness the exploits and EULA violations you spout about? You were not asking a legitimate question. If you had any clue to what you were talking about you would know that this event was planned and announced long ago, that the system has not been exploited, no rules have been broken, and that this event is just a larger and more organized form of what happens every day.

Go back under your bridge.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2012-04-28 13:23:21 UTC
Roxwar wrote:
Also, we are not exploiting anything, griefing is a part of the above mentioned sandbox.



in a game where is nigh on impossible to come up with only one reason to ker-splode a ship (hell, you can even play the RP card: "I exploded his ship because I am a space terrorist!"), where you fight against the odds every single ******* time you fly anywhere in anything, where the "undock" button is a concealed "I agree to engage in unconsensual PVP." agreement and where you can even PVP while docked up, and even logged off (forum PVP). In a game where you have all of this and much more, how can you call the Jita burning, "griefing"?

this is not griefing. this game doesn't have "griefing" in the most common meaning of the word. at most, this is just a goon-sponsored Teabaggin' party.

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StonerPhReaK
Herb Men
#75 - 2012-04-28 13:58:38 UTC
All these words being linked from a document that has only half heartingly been followed since 05 is startin to not make any sense. CCP themselves dont even follow the letter of the EULA to a tee why should anyone else.

Move on and HTFU as others have said. If you cannot do that this is prolly not the single player game your looking for.

Signatures wer cooler when we couldn't remove them completely.
Ashrun Dir
Love for You
#76 - 2012-04-28 14:01:00 UTC
LinearBurn Aideron wrote:
I would like to know how its ok for a corp or a aliance to overwelming concord giving them free reign to gank people in empire. If i found a way to adviod concord, I would be warned or baned. Why is it not the same for them? Empire is a simi safe place for new and old players, however the players involved in the jita gank fest ther actions disrupted gameplay and created a bad experance for many players that do not want to be involved in there combat or war. I thought it is our choice or right weither we want to go in to low sec or not , however this was forced upon us with out any warning or concideration from CCP. I did not lose any ship or was even fired on. I am asking a legitment question how is it ok for one group to exploit the system, and not any one else. I would like a offical responce to this. Im not flaming or gripeing im asking a legitment question.


The point of the Burn Jita Event is to bring PvP to high-sec. To remind everyone that you are never safe, even in High-Sec. And that you should abide by Eve's #1 Rule:

Fly Only What You Are Willing to Lose
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#77 - 2012-04-28 14:51:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
Question to the OP: did you petition the thing you believe to be an exploit? Because that is what you do if you think someone is exploiting game mechanics.

Do note that suicide ganking, if you do not attempt to avoid (or delay in a forbidden way) the CONCORD consequences, is not considered exploiting in EVE.
Alxea
Unstable Pirate Sharks Of The Damed Sea
#78 - 2012-04-29 08:24:37 UTC
LinearBurn Aideron wrote:
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Wrong again. CCP states that all space is free for players to cause chaos and do whatever they want. High sec is not safe space never was and never will be. Nothing is being disrupted, travel and trade are happening per normal and people are warping and shooting and exploding per normal. It's called a sandbox, if you don't like it then the door is ------> way




Please .link were you got this from in what part of the EULA are you refering or the offical rules of conduct,

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Nothing is being disrupted,
just because you can enter the system now does not mean it was not happening earlyer.

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High sec is not safe space never was and never will be
Not the argument im making

Ask a GM, or look at old players who have been ganking billions worth of isk for years. I have been doing this for 5 years. Killed hundreds of pods in highsec while being -10.0 and blew up about 100 exhumers. This is a part of the game. There are people with near 600 exhumer kills in highsec. http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1075831 you really don't know this game or what your even talking about. Nobody is ever banned for killing people in highsec because they always lose their ship specially now. I have killed the same people before several times because they were not very smart. And it was without their consent and they could do nothing about it to fight back. Besides concord.

Point is you need to accept how dark and evil this game really is. Its not like WoW. Eve is hard, you should get over it. We know you mad sis but really just get over it! Roll Its been this way since 2003. Its time to move along... your trying to find a reason to say ganking is wrong when its a part of the game. Its a profession like piracy only we remove your ships to take your stuff or take a loss and gain a kill mail and tears from you. Its really that simple. Your just over thinking all this and somehow think that highsec should be totally safe. Tell me where you mine in a evemail. I'll try to kill your ship and pod, then you can cry to a GM and tell him how much you want them to ban me. And they will explain to you its a part of the game. Its just really hard for you to grasp I guess when your grasping at straws that don't have an end. XD
Krenalla
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#79 - 2012-04-29 08:52:29 UTC
Intermission...
Krenalla
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2012-04-29 08:52:37 UTC