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Fair Warning: Hulkageddon V Backlash Predicted

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EVE Stig
Doomheim
#61 - 2012-04-29 04:14:34 UTC
Henry Haphorn wrote:
You didn't read the recent article from Eurogamer.net didn't you?

CCP has officially condoned the goonswarm attempt to destroy the EVE economy by giving the campaign it's blessing.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-04-27-ccp-players-attempt-to-destroy-eve-online-economy-is-f-ing-brilliant


you didnt read the OP did you

Hulkageddon not the Goon temper tantrum

"Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"!

EVE Stig
Doomheim
#62 - 2012-04-29 04:20:02 UTC
Xander Riggs wrote:


People have been ganking miners just like this for a very long time, in very, very large numbers,


in very small numbers actually...
The Goon temper tantrum in Jita has killed more ships total (ganker and gank um ee) in two days now than the last hulkageddon did in a week.
The more HaG happens the less of an impact it has cause anyone other than bots (and me) are smart enough to not mine during it (Ive mined during it the past 5 times in high sec in an untanked hulk and Ive never even been attacked). The more often it happens the more likely miners are to dock up during it but stockpile minerals beforehand so theres really no upswing even in the price.

Hey Goons, you wanna make a rael impact on the game? Hulkageddon year.

"Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"!

Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#63 - 2012-04-29 04:20:05 UTC
Oh noes CCP might nerf suicide ganking? You mean like they do every expansion? Whatever shall we do.
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#64 - 2012-04-29 05:38:53 UTC
corestwo wrote:
DU1 -Sia wrote:
Xander Riggs wrote:
DU1 -Sia wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
If CCP make bad game design choices in response to players doing the kind of thing that makes EVE great then the people who legitimately suffer as a consequence will be the CCP employees who find themselves out of work because their game failed and their company went bust.

The players will just go and play a better game.


Exactly, as so many keep saying EVE has overall grown consistently over the years, after ccp consistently reinforces it's rules and plug exploits and abuse of there sandbox.


Eve has grown over the years because of thingsl ike Hulkageddon. When you tell people about the joys of Eve, you sure as **** don't tell them about staring at an asteroid for three hours or running 'Rogue Drone Harassment' 14 times a day.


Not really, I tell them about the huge fleet's I've been part of in nul, about how it truly made me feel like I was a pilot in a spaceship involving thousands ships fighting over who gets the system... I don't mention the actions of self entitled fools who abuse game mechanics to get one up on the game while risking nothing and being fed like babies from there alliance.


Would you like to tell me how we're abusing game mechanics?


I'm still waiting.

I suspect I'll be waiting for quite some time because no abuse of game mechanics occurred today.

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

fofofo

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#65 - 2012-04-29 05:54:49 UTC
GAWD, the ganker EPEEN is swinging large in this thread.


OP is correct and like my dad always said - better get it while the getting is good cuz when it's gone, there ain't no more.
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Doomheim
#66 - 2012-04-29 06:14:35 UTC
Vaal Erit wrote:
Oh noes CCP might nerf suicide ganking? You mean like they do every expansion? Whatever shall we do.


huh I missed some patchnotes then, other than the insurance nerf that every suicide ganker says didnt matter what all are you talking about?
Cause you got tier 3 BCs basically built for suicide ganking, and the insurance thing (that, again everyone has said doesnt matter at all) is the only negative thing I can think of off hand

Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game

Duvida
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2012-04-29 06:23:32 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
If CCP make bad game design choices in response to players doing the kind of thing that makes EVE great then the people who legitimately suffer as a consequence will be the CCP employees who find themselves out of work because their game failed and their company went bust.

The players will just go and play a better game.



Better game? They might find a different game, but I don't think there's a true competitor to EVE on EVE's level at this time.
Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
WE FORM V0LTA
#68 - 2012-04-29 06:31:40 UTC
Not advocating a specific side of the discussion here, but you guys may want to remember this. Which slice of this pie do you think it's in CCP's best interests to appeal to, if they have no choice but to do it at the expense of other slices?

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2012-04-29 06:33:49 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
You made them notice that abandoning your drones was a bannable offense.

What is this about?
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#70 - 2012-04-29 07:26:56 UTC
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
Vaal Erit wrote:
Oh noes CCP might nerf suicide ganking? You mean like they do every expansion? Whatever shall we do.


huh I missed some patchnotes then, other than the insurance nerf that every suicide ganker says didnt matter what all are you talking about?
Cause you got tier 3 BCs basically built for suicide ganking, and the insurance thing (that, again everyone has said doesnt matter at all) is the only negative thing I can think of off hand

Well, there are the constant upgrades to CONCORD response time, and changing things the the boomerang maneuver(which wasn't an exploit when I heard about it petitioned years ago, it was 'intelligent use of game mechanics' as long as you eventually died to CONCORD), to name a couple.

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#71 - 2012-04-29 07:52:40 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Well, there are the constant upgrades to CONCORD response time, and changing things the the boomerang maneuver(which wasn't an exploit when I heard about it petitioned years ago, it was 'intelligent use of game mechanics' as long as you eventually died to CONCORD), to name a couple.

Let's all focus our efforts on alphastrike ganking, and see what happens.

It will definitely be interesting to say the least. Lol

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Kieron VonDeux
#72 - 2012-04-29 08:22:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Kieron VonDeux
Xander Riggs wrote:
CCP responds when there's an issue. They called Burn Jita '******* Brilliant.' I doubt they'll suddenly get mad about Hulkaggeddon after five years.


I seem to remember the Privateers getting interviewed for a news item just before the great War Dec nerf, because they overplayed that several years back.

I won't go so far as say that what the OP says is likely but it wouldn't be the first time something like this has happened.
Xython
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
#73 - 2012-04-29 08:25:45 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
Vaal Erit wrote:
Oh noes CCP might nerf suicide ganking? You mean like they do every expansion? Whatever shall we do.


huh I missed some patchnotes then, other than the insurance nerf that every suicide ganker says didnt matter what all are you talking about?
Cause you got tier 3 BCs basically built for suicide ganking, and the insurance thing (that, again everyone has said doesnt matter at all) is the only negative thing I can think of off hand

Well, there are the constant upgrades to CONCORD response time, and changing things the the boomerang maneuver(which wasn't an exploit when I heard about it petitioned years ago, it was 'intelligent use of game mechanics' as long as you eventually died to CONCORD), to name a couple.


The thing is, that Manifesto postnought had it right -- CCP has been coddling high sec for far, FAR too long. There is no way in hell just managing to keep Concord from killing you for a few seconds -- presuming they eventually kill you -- is an exploit. It never has been, nor will it ever be.

Fat carebears who think this is just another WOW clone need to wake up and realize they're never going to get to put elf ears on their ship no matter how much they whine to CCP about it.
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#74 - 2012-04-29 08:30:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Kengutsi Akira
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
Vaal Erit wrote:
Oh noes CCP might nerf suicide ganking? You mean like they do every expansion? Whatever shall we do.


huh I missed some patchnotes then, other than the insurance nerf that every suicide ganker says didnt matter what all are you talking about?
Cause you got tier 3 BCs basically built for suicide ganking, and the insurance thing (that, again everyone has said doesnt matter at all) is the only negative thing I can think of off hand

Well, there are the constant upgrades to CONCORD response time, and changing things the the boomerang maneuver(which wasn't an exploit when I heard about it petitioned years ago, it was 'intelligent use of game mechanics' as long as you eventually died to CONCORD), to name a couple.


Alphastrike for the first, Boomerang has been known as an exploit forever I KEEP hearing. Just cause YOU didnt hear of it as such doesnt change anything. I came into the game in 2005, The first thing I heard about CONCORD was that if you figured out a way to keep yourself from dying to them thats an exploit. Kinda assumed it was from then forward. So having an exploit closed doesnt really seem THAT huge an issue to me. Doesnt that follow along the vaunted Ganker mantra of Risk vs Reward anyways?
The whole ganking thing has been fairly easy to do, Id think making it harder wouldnt be met with as much resistance. Then again, this is the same attitude Im seeing from the Incursion runners, it gets harder you dont adapt, you give up.

Whatever happened to HTFU and Adapt or die?

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes

Ashrik Tyr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#75 - 2012-04-29 08:33:36 UTC
So either we suicide gank in hi-sec, have loads of fun doing so, and risk an "exploit" (if you can call it that) being patched out. In the meanwhile creating loads of news and buzz for both the game and our corp/alliance which results in a surge of activity and new/old subscriptions, as well as loads of market activity for those who normally only accrue capital in Empire space. All the while making loads of money from the advanced-planned alloy nerf, tech, and general mineral prices skyrocketing.

Or we don't have fun in the fear the CCP will change something, maybe, despite describing this event as "f-ing brilliant".









Help guys, I can't decide what to do.



The OP has applied some warped version of a just-world fallacy to a spaceship videogame.
Aron Croup
Incompatible Protocol
#76 - 2012-04-29 08:33:52 UTC
The only reason I could see for CCP to 'nerf' hulkageddon is if they start losing subscriptions over it.

Veteran miners are out in null-sec or W-Space doing grav sites and cashing in on those morphite prices, so they're not gonna be bothered by this. It's the budding, up-and-coming miners that might become too frustrated if they can't do their chosen profession for a whole month and consequently decide to go play another game.

Not sure what to think about it. I like that you can do it, but I'm not sure I like the effect it may have. Kinda like every other controversial issue in life.

Cool

/Aron
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#77 - 2012-04-29 08:38:13 UTC
Ashrik Tyr wrote:
So either we suicide gank in hi-sec, have loads of fun doing so, and risk an "exploit" (if you can call it that) being patched out. In the meanwhile creating loads of news and buzz for both the game and our corp/alliance which results in a surge of activity and new/old subscriptions, as well as loads of market activity for those who normally only accrue capital in Empire space. All the while making loads of money from the advanced-planned alloy nerf, tech, and general mineral prices skyrocketing.

Or we don't have fun in the fear the CCP will change something, maybe, despite describing this event as "f-ing brilliant".









Help guys, I can't decide what to do.

Surrender to our pubbie overlords. We're doomed, their whines will blot out all logic. It's all over, there's nothing left for us but slavery in a CONCORD-run police state. PvP will be an unintended exploit. The only use for guns is to shoot red crosses. Incursions are the most risky thing you can do.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#78 - 2012-04-29 08:39:00 UTC
Aron Croup wrote:
It's the budding, up-and-coming miners that might become too frustrated if they can't do their chosen profession for a whole month and consequently decide to go play another game.

You mean the up-and-coming miners with their hulks? Hm ...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Aron Croup
Incompatible Protocol
#79 - 2012-04-29 08:44:20 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Aron Croup wrote:
It's the budding, up-and-coming miners that might become too frustrated if they can't do their chosen profession for a whole month and consequently decide to go play another game.

You mean the up-and-coming miners with their hulks? Hm ...


Doesn't take that long to get in a hulk... only a tiny bit more skill training than getting in a covetor.

But I reckon you wouldn't know much about that ;-)

Xython
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
#80 - 2012-04-29 09:39:50 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Not advocating a specific side of the discussion here, but you guys may want to remember this. Which slice of this pie do you think it's in CCP's best interests to appeal to, if they have no choice but to do it at the expense of other slices?


You're forgetting that roughly half of those highsec characters are nullsec market alts. And that's not even commenting on the bots -- when you have characters like that one guy with 23 accounts that he mines with 23x7, well, the numbers get a bit... skewed, don't they?

Every single time CCP has given in to the carebears EVE subscriptions have suffered. Every single time they have stood up against them subscriptions have risen.