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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#41 - 2012-04-29 02:54:11 UTC
Ah look, I have once again sparked an intelligent debate!

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DU1 -Sia
Lamorei Prosapia Vexillum
#42 - 2012-04-29 02:54:17 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
If CCP make bad game design choices in response to players doing the kind of thing that makes EVE great then the people who legitimately suffer as a consequence will be the CCP employees who find themselves out of work because their game failed and their company went bust.

The players will just go and play a better game.


Exactly, as so many keep saying EVE has overall grown consistently over the years, after ccp consistently reinforces it's rules and plug exploits and abuse of there sandbox.
Kriegman
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#43 - 2012-04-29 03:02:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Kriegman
So lets assume CCP nerfs tornado, we will just gank in ravens or whatever else gives us the best bang for a buck. How is this any different, gank is a gank don't matter how it's done. 200 thrasher fleet have taken down a Charon today http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13214225 so we nerf thrashers, rifters, what else?
Xander Riggs
Slamtown Federation
#44 - 2012-04-29 03:04:01 UTC
DU1 -Sia wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
If CCP make bad game design choices in response to players doing the kind of thing that makes EVE great then the people who legitimately suffer as a consequence will be the CCP employees who find themselves out of work because their game failed and their company went bust.

The players will just go and play a better game.


Exactly, as so many keep saying EVE has overall grown consistently over the years, after ccp consistently reinforces it's rules and plug exploits and abuse of there sandbox.


Eve has grown over the years because of thingsl ike Hulkageddon. When you tell people about the joys of Eve, you sure as **** don't tell them about staring at an asteroid for three hours or running 'Rogue Drone Harassment' 14 times a day.

"A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands."
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#45 - 2012-04-29 03:07:19 UTC
Xander Riggs wrote:
Eve has grown over the years because of thingsl ike Hulkageddon. When you tell people about the joys of Eve, you sure as **** don't tell them about staring at an asteroid for three hours or running 'Rogue Drone Harassment' 14 times a day.

You... don't like the mining ops?

Report to the highsec reeducation camp immediately. (Jita Shocked)

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DU1 -Sia
Lamorei Prosapia Vexillum
#46 - 2012-04-29 03:09:41 UTC
Xander Riggs wrote:
DU1 -Sia wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
If CCP make bad game design choices in response to players doing the kind of thing that makes EVE great then the people who legitimately suffer as a consequence will be the CCP employees who find themselves out of work because their game failed and their company went bust.

The players will just go and play a better game.


Exactly, as so many keep saying EVE has overall grown consistently over the years, after ccp consistently reinforces it's rules and plug exploits and abuse of there sandbox.


Eve has grown over the years because of thingsl ike Hulkageddon. When you tell people about the joys of Eve, you sure as **** don't tell them about staring at an asteroid for three hours or running 'Rogue Drone Harassment' 14 times a day.


Not really, I tell them about the huge fleet's I've been part of in nul, about how it truly made me feel like I was a pilot in a spaceship involving thousands ships fighting over who gets the system... I don't mention the actions of self entitled fools who abuse game mechanics to get one up on the game while risking nothing and being fed like babies from there alliance.
Xander Riggs
Slamtown Federation
#47 - 2012-04-29 03:14:46 UTC
DU1 -Sia wrote:
Xander Riggs wrote:
DU1 -Sia wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
If CCP make bad game design choices in response to players doing the kind of thing that makes EVE great then the people who legitimately suffer as a consequence will be the CCP employees who find themselves out of work because their game failed and their company went bust.

The players will just go and play a better game.


Exactly, as so many keep saying EVE has overall grown consistently over the years, after ccp consistently reinforces it's rules and plug exploits and abuse of there sandbox.


Eve has grown over the years because of thingsl ike Hulkageddon. When you tell people about the joys of Eve, you sure as **** don't tell them about staring at an asteroid for three hours or running 'Rogue Drone Harassment' 14 times a day.


Not really, I tell them about the huge fleet's I've been part of in nul, about how it truly made me feel like I was a pilot in a spaceship involving thousands ships fighting over who gets the system... I don't mention the actions of self entitled fools who abuse game mechanics to get one up on the game while risking nothing and being fed like babies from there alliance.


NOFUNALLOWED.JPG

Get over yourself. It's a fun contest that came with a full month's warning. The mechanic has been in the game for years, as has Hulkaggedon because Concord doesn;t even give a **** in the lore, let alone mechanics. CCP does not want to remove suicide ganking from the game because it amounts to space vandalism, and that is a thing that PIRATES DO.

"A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands."
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#48 - 2012-04-29 03:16:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
FYI, the easiest nerf to suicide ganking would have nothing to do with nerfing Alpha or boosting Hulk tanks. It would be about how concord deals with -5 sec status pilots and below. Concord could in theory prevent ships of >- 5 pilots from entering warp after boarding and/or they could immediately neut/ECM after boarding, and what are you going to do then? If they really want to **** on you they could make you grind more sec for each gank, by increasing the sec hit as well.

You people are not thinking like CCP might.
They don't have to change any ship to seriously nerf ganking.

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#49 - 2012-04-29 03:16:59 UTC
I agree with the OP.

Look at the past.

Stacking MWDs. Fun until everyone started doing it = nerf bat

Ghost training. Not a problem until everyone started doing it = nerf bat

Nano HACs. A real hoot until everyone started doing it = nerf bat

And on and on and on.

So where are we now?

Ganking miners. YEE HAA! until everyone started doing it = ???

Mr Epeen Cool
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#50 - 2012-04-29 03:19:52 UTC
DU1 -Sia wrote:
Xander Riggs wrote:
DU1 -Sia wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
If CCP make bad game design choices in response to players doing the kind of thing that makes EVE great then the people who legitimately suffer as a consequence will be the CCP employees who find themselves out of work because their game failed and their company went bust.

The players will just go and play a better game.


Exactly, as so many keep saying EVE has overall grown consistently over the years, after ccp consistently reinforces it's rules and plug exploits and abuse of there sandbox.


Eve has grown over the years because of thingsl ike Hulkageddon. When you tell people about the joys of Eve, you sure as **** don't tell them about staring at an asteroid for three hours or running 'Rogue Drone Harassment' 14 times a day.


Not really, I tell them about the huge fleet's I've been part of in nul, about how it truly made me feel like I was a pilot in a spaceship involving thousands ships fighting over who gets the system... I don't mention the actions of self entitled fools who abuse game mechanics to get one up on the game while risking nothing and being fed like babies from there alliance.



You don't mention the best in EvE, player events like Hulkageddon? Thats a pitty, you are not helping EvE grow then.

The Tears Must Flow
DU1 -Sia
Lamorei Prosapia Vexillum
#51 - 2012-04-29 03:21:54 UTC
Xander Riggs wrote:
DU1 -Sia wrote:
Xander Riggs wrote:
DU1 -Sia wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
If CCP make bad game design choices in response to players doing the kind of thing that makes EVE great then the people who legitimately suffer as a consequence will be the CCP employees who find themselves out of work because their game failed and their company went bust.

The players will just go and play a better game.


Exactly, as so many keep saying EVE has overall grown consistently over the years, after ccp consistently reinforces it's rules and plug exploits and abuse of there sandbox.


Eve has grown over the years because of thingsl ike Hulkageddon. When you tell people about the joys of Eve, you sure as **** don't tell them about staring at an asteroid for three hours or running 'Rogue Drone Harassment' 14 times a day.


Not really, I tell them about the huge fleet's I've been part of in nul, about how it truly made me feel like I was a pilot in a spaceship involving thousands ships fighting over who gets the system... I don't mention the actions of self entitled fools who abuse game mechanics to get one up on the game while risking nothing and being fed like babies from there alliance.


NOFUNALLOWED.JPG

Get over yourself. It's a fun contest that came with a full month's warning. The mechanic has been in the game for years, as has Hulkaggedon because Concord doesn;t even give a **** in the lore, let alone mechanics. CCP does not want to remove suicide ganking from the game because it amounts to space vandalism, and that is a thing that PIRATES DO.


So at eve uni they don't teach you how to read a post.. go on tell me where exactly I said they need to remove suicide ganking or fun.

As pointed out every time mass explosions beyond wardecs have occured in highsec CCP have responded, without exception. Hulkageddon is hardly the mass destruction it's made out to be, but all the other events of late will be stacked on top of its numbers due to proximity.

Your from EVE Uni, act like you've had an education in EVE history please. CCP responds to these events and thats why EVE is successful, not because they let it just race away from them uncontrolled.
Xander Riggs
Slamtown Federation
#52 - 2012-04-29 03:23:09 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
I agree with the OP.

Look at the past.

Stacking MWDs. Fun until everyone started doing it = nerf bat

Ghost training. Not a problem until everyone started doing it = nerf bat

Nano HACs. A real hoot until everyone started doing it = nerf bat

And on and on and on.

So where are we now?

Ganking miners. YEE HAA! until everyone started doing it = ???

Mr Epeen Cool


This is Hulkaggedon V. Protip: That V isn't a letter.

People have been ganking miners just like this for a very long time, in very, very large numbers,

"A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands."
DU1 -Sia
Lamorei Prosapia Vexillum
#53 - 2012-04-29 03:24:27 UTC
If suicide ganking is your only fun in EVE... oh dear. Capital ship and t3 pilots cry best.
Xander Riggs
Slamtown Federation
#54 - 2012-04-29 03:24:57 UTC
DU1 -Sia wrote:
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So at eve uni they don't teach you how to read a post.. go on tell me where exactly I said they need to remove suicide ganking or fun.

As pointed out every time mass explosions beyond wardecs have occured in highsec CCP have responded, without exception. Hulkageddon is hardly the mass destruction it's made out to be, but all the other events of late will be stacked on top of its numbers due to proximity.

Your from EVE Uni, act like you've had an education in EVE history please. CCP responds to these events and thats why EVE is successful, not because they let it just race away from them uncontrolled.


CCP responds when there's an issue. They called Burn Jita '******* Brilliant.' I doubt they'll suddenly get mad about Hulkaggeddon after five years.

"A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands."
DU1 -Sia
Lamorei Prosapia Vexillum
#55 - 2012-04-29 03:28:05 UTC
Xander Riggs wrote:
DU1 -Sia wrote:
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So at eve uni they don't teach you how to read a post.. go on tell me where exactly I said they need to remove suicide ganking or fun.

As pointed out every time mass explosions beyond wardecs have occured in highsec CCP have responded, without exception. Hulkageddon is hardly the mass destruction it's made out to be, but all the other events of late will be stacked on top of its numbers due to proximity.

Your from EVE Uni, act like you've had an education in EVE history please. CCP responds to these events and thats why EVE is successful, not because they let it just race away from them uncontrolled.


CCP responds when there's an issue. They called Burn Jita '******* Brilliant.' I doubt they'll suddenly get mad about Hulkaggeddon after five years.


Yeah and "Greed is good" and ambulation was quoted as the same... oh look it affected subs they withdrew there stance and changed it... again learn EVE history.
Xander Riggs
Slamtown Federation
#56 - 2012-04-29 03:33:24 UTC
DU1 -Sia wrote:
Xander Riggs wrote:
DU1 -Sia wrote:
[
So at eve uni they don't teach you how to read a post.. go on tell me where exactly I said they need to remove suicide ganking or fun.

As pointed out every time mass explosions beyond wardecs have occured in highsec CCP have responded, without exception. Hulkageddon is hardly the mass destruction it's made out to be, but all the other events of late will be stacked on top of its numbers due to proximity.

Your from EVE Uni, act like you've had an education in EVE history please. CCP responds to these events and thats why EVE is successful, not because they let it just race away from them uncontrolled.


CCP responds when there's an issue. They called Burn Jita '******* Brilliant.' I doubt they'll suddenly get mad about Hulkaggeddon after five years.


Yeah and "Greed is good" and ambulation was quoted as the same... oh look it affected subs they withdrew there stance and changed it... again learn EVE history.


Whatever, chief. They'll lose far, far more subs attacking piracy than they will letting a handful of mining ships get popped because they were too stupid to watch local. Eve has always been a game about murderous space pirates; you'll just have to learn to deal with it. It's one month where mining is marginally more dangerous. The bill is being paid by a third party with in game money using in game means. If they try to take it down, they'll have to rework the whole system and alienate far more people than they'll please. This string of in-game, player reated events has generated far more interest in the game than the generic ongoing wars of the past few years combined.

"A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands."
DU1 -Sia
Lamorei Prosapia Vexillum
#57 - 2012-04-29 03:48:06 UTC
But it isn't ALL about murderous space pirates... I mean what sort of murderous space pirates involve themselves in nearly a decade of thoughtful teaching at I dunno some kind of Space university?

And what kind of murderous space pirates would have nothing to do with murderous space pirate activites when there engaged in there own non (mostly non) murderous activites all throughout the game area's where it is not just allowed but encouraged?

Stop trying to put my argument into your words haven't you noticed yet it doesn't work.

OP made a point that after all the recent activity he feels that CCP will make changes, I'm wholeheartedly agreeing with him because that is EXACTLY what CCP have done every time highsec gets messed around with on such a scale (again Hulkageddon itself I don't class as that big a deal) and why wouldn't ccp make changes like they have every other time as EVE is constantly growing and improving with them making such changes.

Your argument is stop doing what works CCP leave it all as it is. EVE is dynamic in that it DOES change all the time.
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#58 - 2012-04-29 04:02:40 UTC
DU1 -Sia wrote:
Xander Riggs wrote:
DU1 -Sia wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
If CCP make bad game design choices in response to players doing the kind of thing that makes EVE great then the people who legitimately suffer as a consequence will be the CCP employees who find themselves out of work because their game failed and their company went bust.

The players will just go and play a better game.


Exactly, as so many keep saying EVE has overall grown consistently over the years, after ccp consistently reinforces it's rules and plug exploits and abuse of there sandbox.


Eve has grown over the years because of thingsl ike Hulkageddon. When you tell people about the joys of Eve, you sure as **** don't tell them about staring at an asteroid for three hours or running 'Rogue Drone Harassment' 14 times a day.


Not really, I tell them about the huge fleet's I've been part of in nul, about how it truly made me feel like I was a pilot in a spaceship involving thousands ships fighting over who gets the system... I don't mention the actions of self entitled fools who abuse game mechanics to get one up on the game while risking nothing and being fed like babies from there alliance.


Would you like to tell me how we're abusing game mechanics?

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Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#59 - 2012-04-29 04:08:43 UTC
DU1 -Sia wrote:
Not really, I tell them about the huge fleet's I've been part of in nul, about how it truly made me feel like I was a pilot in a spaceship involving thousands ships fighting over who gets the system... I don't mention the actions of self entitled fools who abuse game mechanics to get one up on the game while risking nothing and being fed like babies from there alliance.

You know, the first time I heard about EVE, it was back in 2006, and a couple co-workers were talking about how one of them got hotdropped by a pirate titan while he was in a cruiser. As he told me about it, I thought 'Holy hell! This game sound crazy! I gotta check this out.' Now that I know the game, I think he was full of it, but those things do happen nowadays, and things like burn jita and hulkageddon are similar in nature.

Yesterday, I was sitting in the chat room for one of the burn jita live streams, and I saw at least 10 21 day trials handed out in the space of an hour because of burn jita. That was in one chat room that never appeared to break 30 people, and I know there were more. Do you think CCP is upset by this?

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Xander Riggs
Slamtown Federation
#60 - 2012-04-29 04:14:23 UTC
DU1 -Sia wrote:
But it isn't ALL about murderous space pirates... I mean what sort of murderous space pirates involve themselves in nearly a decade of thoughtful teaching at I dunno some kind of Space university?

And what kind of murderous space pirates would have nothing to do with murderous space pirate activites when there engaged in there own non (mostly non) murderous activites all throughout the game area's where it is not just allowed but encouraged?

Stop trying to put my argument into your words haven't you noticed yet it doesn't work.

OP made a point that after all the recent activity he feels that CCP will make changes, I'm wholeheartedly agreeing with him because that is EXACTLY what CCP have done every time highsec gets messed around with on such a scale (again Hulkageddon itself I don't class as that big a deal) and why wouldn't ccp make changes like they have every other time as EVE is constantly growing and improving with them making such changes.

Your argument is stop doing what works CCP leave it all as it is. EVE is dynamic in that it DOES change all the time.



No, my argument is to fix what's actually broken. High sec ganking is not broken. Burn jita is a whopping two day event. Hulkaggedon only lasts a month. Events like these drum up interest in the game, drive ship and module purchases and production, and are generally well recieved by the players.

Also, stop bringing up Eve University like its somehow relevant. Eve Uni is impartial, and many, many of its members go on to become pirates themselves. The idea that you can't help new players while at the same time accepting the game for what it is is downright pants-on-head ********. "No, sorry, you think piracy should be allowed. You're not allowed to learn about wormholes."

"A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands."