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Liliana Rahl
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#21 - 2012-04-26 22:11:32 UTC
St Mio wrote:
This is a terrible thread and you should all be ashamed.


Best post in this thread, IMO.

Aside from my laugh post.

oh and snipe
Jun Kuo
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-04-26 22:39:47 UTC
St Mio wrote:
This is a terrible thread and you should all be ashamed.



Some capsuleers posted harmful and useless content.

But thanks to most of the others, I am scanning with precision and haste now.


Ikonia
Royal Amarr Expeditions
#23 - 2012-04-28 11:46:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Ikonia
mxzf wrote:
Ikonia wrote:
Mnemosyne Gloob wrote:
Also if you think the person behind the character Liliana Rahl has never explored, you make a false assumption. It's not me tho.


Somebody who is so obviously trolling and delivering nonsense must simply calculate in being considered as one who has never done exploring, especially when telling somebody he is completely wrong with his opinion, who is doing exactly what he described since before the exploration patch and that in all purposes sucessful.


Actually, I happen to know who the main behind Liliana Rahl is and I know that (s)he is an accomplished explorer and all the answers given are completely correct. You're just upset because (s)he called you out on your misinformed bad posting. From everything you've said, you seem to be the kind of person that completely ignores everyone else and sticks to your opinion no matter how many times you're proven wrong. Well, get over yourself.

And there really is such a thing as being good at probing. If you haven't experienced it yet, then you really haven't spent much time probing, because there is a very large amount of RL skill that comes into play.


As i consider your kind of criticism as professional, i want to give you an answer. Of course there are many more ways to do exploration, as i do it, or as you might do it. Additionally of course it is possible to do what Liliana might or might not be doing. As i was simply responding to a question of a player, who want to get forward in exploration, i can only give my very own point of view, my experiences and the way i found my success in exploration to him.

By completely defining my way to be wrong in some very - at least for my taste - unpolite way, my answer to this person was fitting to, though i tried not to respond in the same way like Liliana did. As i am doing exploration since about 3 years now, and i havent learned all by far, in fact i am still earning nearly every day, i cant agree to someone telling a beginner that the best option is, to start right beside Jita or in crowded areas of space.

As a beginner in exploration the first thing you want to have is success. Success starts by finding something different than a WHs on the scanner, it starts by finding that, what you havent seen so far. As i dont know what the OP is after, i take here my very own position in - interesting for me was at the strt primarily radars, followed by magnetometrics. Ladars were charming also, since i havent seen any of these sites as i came from mission running to exploration. Gravs never were interesting for me. Not that this is the only right point of view or so - it was just what interested me. The plexes and escalations came in at alter point, since i had enough of mission like stuff behind me.

From the point i am now, i still think that certain regions are much better than others. As an example here describes it better:

My favourite region was until some weeks ago Derelik in the Ammatar region. Iosantin, Orva, Janus, up to Uhtafal, As now there are many more explorers i changed to a region, from which i was expecting the same riches and treasures, filtered out by recon and sttitics and everything i had - around Moro and Efa in the Khanid region. Both appear to be similar but are so enormously different in fact. Khanid regions is definitely overrun by explorers, while Derelik are still now very low populated and deliver a lot of interesting sites.

Success comes in not by travelling a lot, but by keeping a stable income from sites, respawning very often. I honestly dont know about Lilianas definition of success in form of numbers. Last week while iwas travelling back down to nullsec i decided to take a short stop in Iosantin and around.

Most stunning of all systems was Pirohdim with 12 Anomalies and 8 Signatures. From which were 3 Whs (1x exit c1, 1xc2, 1x c5), 1 4/10 Plex (3 parts faction loot), 1 3/10 Drone site (2 overseer tags, 1 piece faction loot), 2 radar sites (2 Formation Layout, 2 classic doctrines and some minor loot), 1 large Hedbergite, Kernite gravimetric site i sold for 25 million refine split to a mining corp). Sum up over 170 Million income with 132 minutes work.

The other systems around brought some minor anomalies (mostly drones) but at least a minimum of 3 responding signals in every system. For hisec a really interesting region. Of course you cant compare this with low or nullsec income, but for hisec and by remaining nearly stable depending on the times you log on, i consider this more than ive found anywhere else in hisec, though i cannot say, ive seen everything. And this is not the only area in Derelik since Shedoo and systems around are nearly quite as good. So the proximity to other relatively calm regions is given as well, also having lowsec very close, nullsec is also not too far. Very few stations, low population, not on a trade lane, 25 jumps out from trade hubs, i dont know what ive told so completely wrong.

Anyway, i accept without problems, that there are different ways than mine to make profit with exploration. But it seems that my way is definitely wrong. /shrug

Cheers
Flakey Foont
#24 - 2012-04-28 17:48:02 UTC
You are competition and as such I will only say, get to DSP if you are serious.
5nipe
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2012-04-28 21:22:13 UTC
There is no "best" way for exploration in hi sec. The "camping" strategy may work just fine in one region(s), for example in over crawled Caldari space, with fast respawning rate. For less populated areas "roaming" approach may be way too better instead.

I collected some data in last few month, and here is an example of "camping" small pocket of 4 hi sec isolated systems.
I spent entire January, monitoring this 4 systems with DSP about 2-3 hours after DT almost every day and couple hours in the evening (EU time) when I had a time.

Caldari Hi-Sec Exploration Report, January 2012

May be it is a bit boring, and not the best and efficient way to do stuff, but it used work for me.
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#26 - 2012-04-28 21:52:36 UTC
Ikonia wrote:


As i consider your kind of criticism as professional, i want to give you an answer. Of course there are many more ways to do exploration, as i do it, or as you might do it. Additionally of course it is possible to do what Liliana might or might not be doing. As i was simply responding to a question of a player, who want to get forward in exploration, i can only give my very own point of view, my experiences and the way i found my success in exploration to him.

By completely defining my way to be wrong in some very - at least for my taste - unpolite way, my answer to this person was fitting to, though i tried not to respond in the same way like Liliana did. As i am doing exploration since about 3 years now, and i havent learned all by far, in fact i am still earning nearly every day, i cant agree to someone telling a beginner that the best option is, to start right beside Jita or in crowded areas of space.

As a beginner in exploration the first thing you want to have is success. Success starts by finding something different than a WHs on the scanner, it starts by finding that, what you havent seen so far. As i dont know what the OP is after, i take here my very own position in - interesting for me was at the strt primarily radars, followed by magnetometrics. Ladars were charming also, since i havent seen any of these sites as i came from mission running to exploration. Gravs never were interesting for me. Not that this is the only right point of view or so - it was just what interested me. The plexes and escalations came in at alter point, since i had enough of mission like stuff behind me.

From the point i am now, i still think that certain regions are much better than others. As an example here describes it better:

My favourite region was until some weeks ago Derelik in the Ammatar region. Iosantin, Orva, Janus, up to Uhtafal, As now there are many more explorers i changed to a region, from which i was expecting the same riches and treasures, filtered out by recon and sttitics and everything i had - around Moro and Efa in the Khanid region. Both appear to be similar but are so enormously different in fact. Khanid regions is definitely overrun by explorers, while Derelik are still now very low populated and deliver a lot of interesting sites.

Success comes in not by travelling a lot, but by keeping a stable income from sites, respawning very often. I honestly dont know about Lilianas definition of success in form of numbers. Last week while iwas travelling back down to nullsec i decided to take a short stop in Iosantin and around.

Most stunning of all systems was Pirohdim with 12 Anomalies and 8 Signatures. From which were 3 Whs (1x exit c1, 1xc2, 1x c5), 1 4/10 Plex (3 parts faction loot), 1 3/10 Drone site (2 overseer tags, 1 piece faction loot), 2 radar sites (2 Formation Layout, 2 classic doctrines and some minor loot), 1 large Hedbergite, Kernite gravimetric site i sold for 25 million refine split to a mining corp). Sum up over 170 Million income with 132 minutes work.

The other systems around brought some minor anomalies (mostly drones) but at least a minimum of 3 responding signals in every system. For hisec a really interesting region. Of course you cant compare this with low or nullsec income, but for hisec and by remaining nearly stable depending on the times you log on, i consider this more than ive found anywhere else in hisec, though i cannot say, ive seen everything. And this is not the only area in Derelik since Shedoo and systems around are nearly quite as good. So the proximity to other relatively calm regions is given as well, also having lowsec very close, nullsec is also not too far. Very few stations, low population, not on a trade lane, 25 jumps out from trade hubs, i dont know what ive told so completely wrong.

Anyway, i accept without problems, that there are different ways than mine to make profit with exploration. But it seems that my way is definitely wrong. /shrug

Cheers


I want to respond to this post, but its so poorly worded/grammatically phrased that it seems impossible to do so.
Ikonia
Royal Amarr Expeditions
#27 - 2012-04-28 23:11:08 UTC
5nipe wrote:
There is no "best" way for exploration in hi sec. The "camping" strategy may work just fine in one region(s), for example in over crawled Caldari space, with fast respawning rate. For less populated areas "roaming" approach may be way too better instead.

I collected some data in last few month, and here is an example of "camping" small pocket of 4 hi sec isolated systems.
I spent entire January, monitoring this 4 systems with DSP about 2-3 hours after DT almost every day and couple hours in the evening (EU time) when I had a time.

Caldari Hi-Sec Exploration Report, January 2012

May be it is a bit boring, and not the best and efficient way to do stuff, but it used work for me.


The situation is changing very often, even iin those not so crowded stations. Sometimes good, sometimes not so good. In Derelik the situation does not change too quick, but differences in success can be measured in scopes of 2 to 3 weeks: you notice when more explorers are doing their business in same region. But since it is relatively far out, from the trade hubs the situation does not change quick.

I found it annoying in the crowded areas that you can easily be scanned down in hard to find site by someone using combat probes and then being blitzed or ninjad. For that i prefer not so populated areas like low and nullsec. Just for the journey you need a long breath.

Cheers
Ikonia
Royal Amarr Expeditions
#28 - 2012-04-28 23:20:01 UTC
XXSketchxx wrote:


I want to respond to this post, but its so poorly worded/grammatically phrased that it seems impossible to do so.


Sorry for that, but this is not my native language.
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