Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Here is where I posted a similar idea and some thoughts:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1135060#post1135060

I will copy the contents here for ease of reading:



I would like something that is capable of limited combat, but much weaker then dedicated ships in its class. It should be able to mine "theoretically" close to what a hulk can, but much smaller and much faster. Able to go where a hulk can't.

What it might come down to is a T2 cruiser class ship with a relative large (for its class) cargo hold and maybe a moderate ore hold so it doesn't need jet cans all of the time. Give it a very large drone mining and drone speed bonus to designate its role. Maybe two high slots for tractor beams and an auto targeting system (extra locks) or 2nd tractor beam/cloak/salvager.

In practice such a ship would under ideal situations come close to a hulk and tap into resources, a hulk cannot, (time efficiently wise. But also when NPC arrive, the drones are both a blessing and a curse, the user needs to be alert and switch drones quick or risk loosing them. This also means much less mining output in those situations as the mining stops during combat, contrary to what a hulk can do.

There is an argument to be made to make it even a little better then a hulk, given the much more active role the pilot has to take in order to get good efficiency. Also, single player can on multiple accounts easily control many hulks, with this ship that is very unlikely, reducing its practical output even more.

For players with a single account, this could be their thing!

Add +2 warp strength and good agility and people might even use if successfully to mine in some low sec areas without locking a system down.

Just had another think about the whole mining system . I had an idea that may or may not be to any ones liking but i think it would work without breaking the current system too much .

Increase all mining barges natural structure so that 1 suicide pilot cannot take them out in 1-2 volleys in a destroyer . Destroyers the main ship for suicide ganking in high sec . Add some other draw backs to the mining barges . i will use the current hulk as an example .

Sheild ehp : 1519 hp
Amour ehp : 1013hp
structure ehp : 2531hp

Now as for my idea i would double or triple the structure of the ship . This brings it more in line with what it should be as a t2 industrial vessel and also gives time to survive an illegal offence by other pilots while concord intervene .

Sheild ehp : 1519 hp
Amour ehp : 1013hp
structure ehp : 7000hp

New ship stats .
Mining Barge Skill Bonus:
3% better yield for Strip Miners per level
7.5% bonus to all shield resistances per level

Exhumers Skill Bonus:
3% better yield for Strip Miners per level
3% reduction in Ice Harvester duration per level

Role Bonus:
Able to equip Strip Miner and Ice Harvester turrets .
Draw back . Structure takes damage over time reducing its structure to 2531 hp for using strip miners and ice harvesters .

Rewards . players get a ship with the ability to survive a suicide gank . Low sec and null miners get their tank fits boosted slightly and have time to get fleet pvp support .

Draw backs . people not watching their ships get reduced structure over time . Isk sink for ship repairs . or -1 or mining barge replaced by logi support and / or drones . Still gankable but harder to do so solo unless using more expensive high dps ships .

overall benefits ingame with the current game mechanics .
Suicide ganking still possible . Bots and solo miners have a isk sink for mining . People ignoring the damage because it only gets damaged to a certain extent would be gankable . Creates a counter strategy to suicide ganking even though it has its costs . This way ships can be fitted they way they were meant to instead of having insanely small holds for high resists or high shield ehp .


This idea i like . Maybe is should also be considered for null and low sec for all ore types . This way people wouldnt moan so much about what ores they mine . As long as they are getting some ABC ores

insurance payout for suicide ganking were removed in cruiceible - I believe

To avoid the technology creep a new ship that mirrors the ore ships with s larger tank and a smaller yield.
with the introduction of the fleet ships we can hope that the 4 Races produce some hardened tanked ships.

Yes Nerfing the kill mails would have a major impact or atleast adding Concord kill mails may help. You lost your ship after all!

Buffing the hulk should not be the answer as that ship is meant to be the Maximum yield ship and is a well used ship

The Mach and the Skiff have their own special roles.

The Procurer ship needs a revamp- it take 3 hours to upgrade from a Procurer to a Retriever. A useless ship role
The retriever is a nice easy to get into Ship.
If the Procurer was increased in skill to that of a Covetor and the bonuses kept the same but tank the hell out of the ship to be virtually suicide gank proof. Battle ship size tank

This would allow both mining and Ice harvesting at a 1/4 of the rate as tech 2 optimized ships

such things as removing kill mails from suicide attack as this is a nerf to a style of game play, a better idea is to give the players something that will allow them to give up something in-turn for protection from the suicide gank.

so im reviving the thread...
i did not read throug everything, but i did not want to make an entirely new trhead and thin out the information. soe interesting stuff in here.

my problem is the spod. my corpies and me recently startet mining in 0.0 and given different circumstances, small asteroid clusters is our main mining place. in generell the small cluster is very good for smaller mining ops and it has a good variety of minerals. but this giant spod thingy is the devil.
the ore is worthless and yields very few usable things. can it maybe get changed into something more useful ore just being deleted entirely? its more of a chore than a worthy "opponent" in mining.
i understand, that the availability of so called "low end" ores and minerals is a tricky point, but putting an utterly useless clump with the volume of a small moon into the very first industry site is a big hindrance and just not fun.

yeah, i know a too independent 0.0 would deal a hard hit on the empire economy, but this giant spod thing is an imposition for smaller corps, who do not have the manpower to bring this thing down without either abandon rl or mine two days nothing else then this spod stuff.
what would be the fallout of just removing the spod or just make it half as big. whats the point of its existence?

and im asking calmly, not rage ^^

I like the idea of inescapable refining taxes in high sec. Maybe they can be minimized, but not eliminated.

In low sec, they could be eliminated with max skills. Maybe you could have the taxes go toward (or against) FW control in the form of banked LP, depending on which faction's station the refining takes place in, and where the station is located.

In null sec and WH space, there'd the potential to eliminate waste with max skills. Big and specialized stations could make that easier or harder. Whether the taxes could be eliminated would be up to the alliance setting the tax rate; at the very least, the income would go to the alliance, rather than into a sink.

I'm not sure why low sec needs to have lesser rewards than null sec all the time. In may ways, sov is its own reward. Low sec could, and should, spawn motherlodes just often enough to make people take chances.

As far as mining itself goes, I'd offer a range of mining lasers, some of which have long, slow cycles, and some of which have much faster cycles, in return for much lower yield per cycle. A drone mining barge sounds good, but what I would do is give it a bay that can hold 5 Harvester drones + a flight of medium combat drones, and give it a 50% bonus to Harvester drone velocity per level of Exhumer, so that Harvesters are worth getting.

when looking at the ore prices, i'd have to say "not as good" is a huge euphemism...
and when mining for production it isn't a big help either. its just the thing thats keeping your small hidden from respawning.
makes it really frustrating...

This makes the POS revamp look like a better idea to have on the front burner. The plans are to have POSes become able to dock ships, modular (expandable up to station sizes) and able to be anchored more than one to a celestial. If they do it right, it will be a huge boost to nullsec self-sufficiency.