Science & Industry

do you think this is:

A: constructive dispassionate input fort the current siutation
or
B: more or less the definiton of "moaning"



joke aside that you meant advantage, please do me a favour and explain exactly, why it is "unfair" to own a T2 BPO or purchase one. And again, please drop the idea that only chosen people got elected to own them, they are fairly traded goods
on the open market.

This is indeed not a hot topic, it is rather deep-frozen. CCP hasn`t ever mentioned anything about removing them in the past 7 years, nor will ever do in the future. I would bet any isk-cent I have on that.

So keep crying or deal with it.

it shows everything that is right in eve.

'if you work you can achive what only a few can, you can own pieces of a long rich history, you can do it all. EVE'

i should work in marketing, not really a fan of coke though, hurts my nose

Lets clear it up that you have clearly not been aorund playing this game when that happaned because its just wrong. despite whatever rumours you might have picked up,nobody has ever recieved a gifted T2 BPo from a dev (plz dont bring up the old and already corrected story about a Sabre BPO and BoB)

If you realy think that is the issue you think to have right now and Dev`s would risk their job to give certain players an advantage, you might aswell look for a different game.



please explain to me what Eve stand for then. reset any advantage players managed to earn them selves over years of playing?

Yes because lets all deny that T20 ever happened or that people were given T2BPO for nothing. Lets pretend that they never dropped from Rats during events aimed at certain players. Lets all live in lala land where T2BPO is fair and the players that have been gifted them somehow worked for them and the fact that they can not be stolen and never expire is not a problem at all.

T2 BPO's can be replaced with Research.

Tell us Why are T2 BPO's important? What makes them better then Research that would involve the 100% (99%+1%)

Whats good do T2 BPO's bring me, my friend over there and the rest of eve online?

happy first post ! ...bit obvious but I appreciate the effort.




To you? Since you dont own one, not much besides slightly cheaper T2 ships/mods.

Also since they are already in the game, it clearly doesnt matter why we should "bring" them in, rather what it would cost to remove them. The Answer is apparently "too much" wich everyone (including CCP) seems to get but you two in this thread ;)

I think this guy's entire NAV should be arbitrarily deleted because his avatar is ugly. If he doesn't like that, he needs to take a long hard look in the mirror.

Copy-pasting the reply made in the other "T2 BPOs are evil" thread, with a few additions

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First rule of EVE : EVE IS INTENTIONALLY DESIGNED TO BE UNFAIR TO SOME DEGREE.
The particular complaint regarding the mere continued existence of T2 BPOs characterizing them as "unfair to exist" is very much akin to complaining that suicide-ganking is allowed, or that 100 battleships can attack a single freighter at the same time if they want to.

The question of whether T2 BPOs are "unfair" is a wholly irrelevant one, as they're SUPPOSED to grant some advantage.
And they do grant one. But it's NOT really an unfair advantage, just like suicide-ganking or alpha-ing is not an unfair advantage either (at least within the bounds of allowed and even desired EVE advantages).

Invention was NOT supposed to completely and utterly REPLACE the T2 BPOs, just supplement them wherever a need existed.
And they did that spectacularly well, or don't you remember 30 mil T2 cap rechargers or 700 mil Hulks back in the day when all moongoo was still stupidly cheap ?
For newer items, they could be made to be the only source, so they were. That's not acknowledging T2 BPOs are bad, that's just acknowledging there's no good way to distribute NEW ONES without much scandal.

If CCP really wanted invention to even start to be directly competitive with T2 BPOs, they would not keep all invented things at mostly negative ME/PE levels !!!
Do you even realize THIS much ?

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Besides, the OP's idea to revert all T2 BPO trades by reverting the flow of ISK alongside the many hands some T2 BPOs have changed and then reimbursing the original winner with the RP is completely untenable for many reasons, the MOST important two reasons being that it's almost guaranteed to be a complete nightmare to untangle, and if you do manage to untangle it, it will most likely end up with a lot of people going into negative wallet balances.
So that particular reimbursement proposal is unrealistic.

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The relevant questions are:
1) Would the game improve by ONLY removing T2 BPOs and changing nothing else ?
*1b) For whom ?
*1c) And for how long ?
2) How exactly do you plan to compensate current T2 BPO owners for the loss of the BPO in case of a removal ?
*2b) If you say no reimbursement, how would you feel if a large portion of your NAV was wiped out just because somebody else felt it's not ok for you to have it ?
*2c) Would you differentiate between lottery winners and current owners that purchased them (and how) ?
*2d) How would that reimbursement affect the rest of the economy (domino effect) ?
3) What else (other than touching anything regarding T2 BPOs) can be done to improve the game in the areas people seem to be complaining about when they ask for a removal of T2 BPOs ?
*3b) Would improvements in the output of invention (runs, ME/PE levels) in certain conditions not be more appropriate instead ?
*3c) How about an uncapping of all moongoo production from the fixed max level we're currently living with ?

Also, this : http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1360780
The horse has been beaten to death, cloned, beaten to death again, reanimated and beaten to death again so many times it's not even funny anymore.

No.

Yes, to some degree anyway.

All they really need to do is buff base invention values to 0/0 ME/PE, let T1 BPC ME/PE levels influence T2 BPC ME/PE levels (at, say, 1/20 strength) and buff chance of invention success, number of runs and decryptor bonuses, then add new ways to obtain moongoo that depend on player invested time rather than territory held.

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What would you want to bet they're not buffing invention at all, nor removing any T2 BPOs ?