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Hulk Pilots - Your New Standard For Empire

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#201 - 2012-04-28 13:15:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
The above builds make sense from a purely ISK standpoint during the actual time of Hulkageddon. Assuming that the cost and insurance payout is worth it VS that of a hulk in this economy. I have not checked that, so I cannot say whether or not it is. ATM you can buy a navy geddon for about the same price as a Abaddon. Sad




That being said, that Rokh build has 100K EHP, which people should note, is well withing the gankable EHP range of a Charon. If however you are in one, and the fool next to you is in a Hulk instead, during Hulkageddon, naturally he gets ganked and you do not.





So, during Hulkageddon I approve.
If it is not Hulkageddon, I do not for the reasons stated in the previous pages of this thread.

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Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#202 - 2012-04-28 14:44:22 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
The above builds make sense from a purely ISK standpoint during the actual time of Hulkageddon. - snip-
That being said, that Rokh build has 100K EHP, which people should note, is well withing the gankable EHP range of a Charon. If however you are in one, and the fool next to you is in a Hulk instead, during Hulkageddon, naturally he gets ganked and you do not.

So, during Hulkageddon I approve.
If it is not Hulkageddon, I do not for the reasons stated in the previous pages of this thread.

Assuming you are referring to the loadouts I posted: since HV is going to be 4 weeks long, I think I'll get some use out of my fleet. If you note, I start out by linking the HV rules, so yes, I am referring to use during HV.

And yeah, the main point being that any build CAN be ganked, but would gankers be willing to suffer the losses of ships needed to take out a Rokh or even a Drake? Seems to me that they are looking for max profits/easy targets/cheap ganks, not something that is close to 90K EHP. I think the tanky Hulks/Orcas will be fine outside of Hulkageddon based upon the need for high yields and expected profits.

And to the OP: thanks for creating this thread and sharing your tanking wisdom along with the dose of reality about the risks of piloting Hulks these days !!!
GreenSeed
#203 - 2012-04-28 15:16:34 UTC
all this is crap...

Hulks have a huge sig radious and 100% of the time they stay at 0 transversal.


they could have 100k EHP they would still get alphaed.


the problem isnt the tank, or the utility. the problem is the cost, hulks should cost at most 20% of what they cost now. thats the only fix that makes sence, having tankier hulks solves no problem at all. having them disposable in the other hand makes them awesome and helps t2 production. more volume of hulks made, more movement on the invention market, more use of t1 Hulls for construction, and the self proclaimed "anti bot gankers" can still take pride on their work, not that they care to aim for bots first or anything.

how to reduce costs? reduce material requierements... DOH
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#204 - 2012-04-28 15:35:05 UTC
GreenSeed wrote:
all this is crap...

Hulks have a huge sig radious and 100% of the time they stay at 0 transversal.


they could have 100k EHP they would still get alphaed.


the problem isnt the tank, or the utility. the problem is the cost, hulks should cost at most 20% of what they cost now. thats the only fix that makes sence, having tankier hulks solves no problem at all. having them disposable in the other hand makes them awesome and helps t2 production. more volume of hulks made, more movement on the invention market, more use of t1 Hulls for construction, and the self proclaimed "anti bot gankers" can still take pride on their work, not that they care to aim for bots first or anything.

how to reduce costs? reduce material requierements... DOH


6/10 - you managed to troll the OP in his own thread.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#205 - 2012-04-28 16:08:02 UTC
I would prefer to be trolled with ideas that make sense TBH.
But I suppose rants are in style.



Thx for the bump!

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FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#206 - 2012-04-28 16:11:00 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
I would prefer to be trolled with ideas that make sense TBH.
But I suppose rants are in style.



Thx for the bump!


If his idea made any sense at all, he wouldn't be a very good troll.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#207 - 2012-04-28 16:12:38 UTC
FT Diomedes wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
I would prefer to be trolled with ideas that make sense TBH.
But I suppose rants are in style.



Thx for the bump!


If his idea made any sense at all, he wouldn't be a very good troll.



I beg to differ, the best trolls take a poop on your front lawn by pointing out relevant and indisputable facts that directly contraction your claims, and then laugh at you in public. (TM)

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Alara IonStorm
#208 - 2012-04-28 17:09:03 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:

I beg to differ, the best trolls take a poop on your front lawn by pointing out relevant and indisputable facts that directly contraction your claims, and then laugh at you in public. (TM)

Um... Isn't that the definition of an effective counter argument and not a troll...
Wyte Ragnarok
#209 - 2012-04-28 17:28:00 UTC
What is this "troll" you speak of?
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#210 - 2012-04-29 03:58:41 UTC
Wyte Ragnarok wrote:
What is this "troll" you speak of?


That would be the person saying that Hulks should cost 60m.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

MacPhie
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#211 - 2012-04-29 23:15:00 UTC
Wyte Ragnarok wrote:
What is this "troll" you speak of?


This Troll - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvcJqcUlYTo