EVE General Discussion

I do like Pvp. I just don't like Eve's pvp, so I don't participate in it. If you want more people to participate in the pvp, writing multi-page manifestos about how people who don't like Eve's pvp are Playing The Game Wrong won't do you any good.

You either make the pvp more appealing, or you accept that the type of pvp you enjoy isn't very popular.

also; telling other ppl what game is/isnt for them really doesnt help
plus I dont see how making PVP better/more popular makex EVE bnot the game for the poster. Are you saying EVE's PVP is traditionally boring and must stay that way?

We're just bustin' your balls. But I have seen the true face of null mining... and it is scary.

The worst part is that the OP actually covers the point you just made. Seriously.

Theyre not fixing Faction Warfare as much as theyre forcing all of t2 research though it.

And I dont understand AT ALL how EVE isnt the game for you when you said make PVP more interesting. Sounds like EVE isnt the game for him given he thinks EVE PVP ISNT interesting.

It is just say that you have no clue in what you spend your money on.

Some people buy fps games i don't like fps games, some pay EvE subscription and don't like EvE. Carebears are wierd.

I quickly scrolled down after reading this and realized..... If your first statement was untrue, what value could there be in anything else you had to say?

TL;DR

One premise that you do base your argument on is not clearly based on facts. You do not make a good connection between HiSec mining somehow eliminating Null sec PVP and Null Sec mining.

The only reason why there is less Null sec PVP is because there are fewer Null sec miners. There are fewer Null sec miners, because the Null Sec PvPers were too good at what they did. This drove the Null sec miners to do a cost-benefit analysis and they came to one conclusion. Less reward and less risk has a better payout in the long term.

Now the Hi Sec space is cluttered with miners. Mining everything they can get their lasers into. They are here because Null Sec PVP is threatening EVE. Sooner or later, the miners will find there are no roids to pick clean in Hi sec. They will move back to low / Null sec. The PVPers will follow their prey.

We are back to square one!

What you have here is the laws of nature and supply and demand economics working together, Neither PVE mining or PVE ganking are killing the game. They are just creating an ever cyclic migration pattern.

Ok I reread "how carebears killed nullsec pvp", as ridiculous as the idea was. I get what he was saying, you need someone or something for the pvpers on either side to fight over. At the time, it was mining fleets. Over time, miners presumably found this less and less appealing.

That horse has bolted, I don't think you can entice them back. You(or CCP) need to come up with another conflict driver in nullsec.

I subscribed to a game that had a vast, single-shard universe/server, a wealth of ship, module and skill choices, and a vast selection of space related activities to choose from. One of which was pvp, which I concluded was not in my interest any more then mining was. That game has not fundamentally changed since I arrived. Its the zealots on either side who want to either turf everyone bar the newbies out of highsec, or prevent all violence in highsec that are trying to fundamentally change the game. And I'm not a fan of that.

Don't go around blaming his ability to write as an excuse for your inability to read, understand or remember.