EVE General Discussion

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Wait, you do realize the near-crushing weight of the irony of you even existing in this thread for reasons other than complete and utter approval, right?

Your corporation name is "Crushed Ambitions" if you never noticed. If this applies to others, you're acknowledging that EVE has an element of PvP that is integral to your playstyle, or at least the people who manage your corp do. Where the aforementioned carebears wish total safety, we combat-oriented people want it to be as variable as anywhere, just the penalties to be more severe in highsec. This provides the balance. Damaging security status and standings making you a target everywhere, guaranteed loss of your ship, and I even approve of the removal of insurance payout from deaths from Concord. These punish you, and make you pick your targets with more care. Entirely favoring one side or another leads to losing more people, because it shows favoritism. If you threaten to leave because you're not the favorite this time, instead of trying to balance it (or in the case of the people we've been talking about, if you've ever been treated as not the favorite for more than seven seconds), we're probably better off without you, because now a better game can flourish and attract more people who will be actually playing >0% of the time.

*Here's the part where you say: "But you complained about Incarna, and got most of it set back because they reallocated resources to your toys!"*

No, we reallocated assets back to EVE from paying to be beta testers for a game without a release date.

"But what about titan tracking and doomsdays; huh, huh, HUH?"

No again. What did we say about balance? Do you want Concord killing those who suicide gank you in highsec? Yes? Then you are agreeing that you don't want those who kill you to be able to with impunity unless they earn it by having better tactics or sometimes simply having more on the field. A couple Titans shouldn't be able to kill fleets in nullsec unkillably, the same way a suicide ganker shouldn't be able to kill everyone who doesn't fit guns in highsec with impunity in a single ship. Balance.



On the other hand, if your corp name applies to yourself you're the type to quit and whine when things don't go your way... Which would explain much of your reasoning.

this rant is TLDR, but i read it cos i wanted to understand the peverse mindset behind it, call it intelectual curiosity, but hey his main is a goon so we expect low intensity thinking.

Sadly OP is delusional, thinks carebears made incarna happen when it was greed of some of CCP´s higher management, which everyone went apeshit over, carebears and yarrs alike who not blinded by the $ signs all realised that only a few stations would ever be viable as fully functional dynamic incarna locations a fact that many in CCP missed (and still do today).

All the ´nerfs´, i.e the loss of insurance for gank squads which had to be larger to counter a buffed concord that was then avoided by bomerangs which while neat was only because CCP never really thought about concord´s role and how to effectivly do it, its an authorised gank so they should scram and web offenders, so is it the loss of isk causing grief and not by PvP he is maoning about or CCP actually begining to think about it properly?. The war dec things, well they are also avoided by getting on an alt and doing stuff elsewhere, so is that a call for 1 account with 1 character per real life person as the new norm with a SS number like the china server requires/d?

Op the gets desulional about high sec being safe, ffs did he forget his meds?, with all the follow on ranting really is about bots, which deserve to be killed (and i do at an average 70m loss) and permabanned, and ppl who gather wealth by mining to support all those POS´s and make all those ships, mods and everything else in eve that he uses every time he logs on.

Null sec died as as things scaled up everything had to change, if your alliance holds a decent amount of space and defends it well mining with in a rorqual fleet produces great returns and makes logistics just moon goods out and what ever is available cheaper in high sec than to produce in so ur not running one way empty, sound economics, hey how may plex does the largest richest alliances make and spread about a month (no cash changing hands ever, nudge nudge, wink wink).

In eve your always target, that will never change, its essential to what eve is, the cost of killing that target varies and he just wants it cheap so he dont have to mission on his alts so much to pay for it maybe?, or is it that he hates the base of everything in eve, you know the people who make his ships and mods happen?, or if he supplies his own does he hate himself?.

James look in mirror and wonder at your intelectual shallowness, CCP will always be changing eve, its evolutionary, it grows and as it does what was useful is no long so, you were born with an appendix, you should understand that change happens, but you undock and you are a target, that will never change no matter if your a carebear a yarr or just multi talented, as that is eve and its philosophy at its essence.

The point is that if highsec PVP gets nerfed to a degree where it is no longer feasible, EVE will cease to be what it is. The only alternative for CCP would be to nerf highsec income hardcore, as in making it 10 times less profitable be either reducing income in high or boosting low/null. If I can be at 80% income rate with 100% safety, why would I bother taking even 1% risk? 35bil mission ships would be the standard in highsec, grinding ISK at an even faster rate than your average cost-efficient ship in low/null.

If your vision of EVE has room for a 100% risk-free environment which also provides relatively good income then perhaps your should find a different game. Who do you think shows up at fanfest? PVPers. Who was there initially when EVE began? PVPers. Who constitutes the backbone of the advertised EVE gameplay? PVPers. Who engages in meaningful/long lasting/world-changing events? You guessed right: PVPers. The pure PVEer could play EVE Offline and have the same impact on the world.

They day CCP mans up and decides to take the unsub hit from all those self-righteous carebears, that will be one glorious day indeed. If on the other hand EVE becomes another carebear MMO, I won't even feel bad leaving the game as the game would no longer exist. Either scenario works for me to be honest, my life does not depend on me being successful in EVE Online.

LOL all I read is: bla bla bla, I got owned by CCP Phantom.

But in all seriousness, care to explain why do you play EVE, the best SCI-FI PVP MMO as it is advertised? Sounds like you are then one imposing playstyles for a SCI-FI PVE SOLO which is why no PVPer will take your opinion seriously. This is OUR game, not yours. As long as I can keep doing solo PVE outside of highsec quite easily, I will never support your closed-minded opinion.

If you want no risks, why should you get any reward?

OP needs to seek professional help.
Massive post, whining about how "others" playstyle is bad.

Get a grip.

Then you got the wrong game brah, and I don't want you to like PVP because I do. It just sucks you play a game where PVP is all around you, even in highsec, right? Removing PVP from anywhere would hurt what the game was initially all about. Do you really so openly demand EVE to mold into wow-in-space?

no... Enterprise. I liked Voyager

Also i'd like to point out something: removing pvp from eve would not turn into wow.

Wow pve content was actually amazingly well done (at least years ago when i played).
And pvp was built to compliment pve.

Eve pve is worse than tetris and is built to allow you to pvp.

So if you damage pvp in anyway you're left with nothing, or worse than nothing.

stupid too many quotes



agreed. I dont wanna pvp myself but PVP provides the thrill where I could die at any time thst I dont get from most other games.

Know what the most funny/ironic bit about this thread is? The mods/ISD agree with the OP. If they didnt, the thread would have been locked as it IS a rant. Its a long well written rant but its a rant nonetheless. So tey pretty much show their agreement by keeping it open