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Anyone else having problems accessing orca hanger from fleet?

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Dun Bar
Baba Yagas
The Initiative.
#101 - 2012-04-27 20:21:14 UTC
Now that jita's on fire..

and Hulkaggeddon around the corner....

bet will be another week before CCP realize's how much they just nerf'd mining
Fwydatt Masech
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#102 - 2012-04-27 20:30:22 UTC
WOW after page after page of - "See people we are listening - We are Improving the game - We are giving you what YOU asked for...You -CCP - pull the one cord that holds your mineral prices together. Maybe I am seeing it backwards. Maybe it was a mistake. Maybe a lot of things, but it will sadden a few players to have invested the amount of time it takes to set up just one hulk and one orca so they can play. All that gone to waste. This move CCP is the first I have ever stepped forward because I felt like you took the time I invested in the game, and Tossed it aside. I may have missed it and someone can point it out if I did, but I never saw this show up on a survey, or questionaire to us players before. And forGreyScale's response of "That's not something that we're planning on supporting" would have been nice to know Months ago when I got excited to play this game because that ship did that One thing. Fingers crossed tomorrow makes this steam and flying semi safe is possible again. Tapping the clock waiting for it to move so I can decide whether to keep sending my real life money to CCP.


CCP Greyscale wrote:
That's not something that we're planning on supporting.
xAeKa StaRRx
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#103 - 2012-04-27 20:39:25 UTC
Even as an orca pilot myself, I can't help but enjoy the river of tears in this thread.
Yeah it changes things, yes its lame that it was a stealth-nerf...Personally I think this enriches mining. If you want to use an orca to gain a logistical advantage over other miners, you've gotta do it as a corp now.
Draconus Lofwyr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#104 - 2012-04-27 20:40:12 UTC
If You (CCP) are not planning on changing this mechanic, then may i suggest that you implement a mechanic that will allow players to "apply" to the NPC corp of their choice so that they may keep their friends/alts in the same DAMNED BLOODY corp?



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Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#105 - 2012-04-27 20:47:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Barbara Nichole
If you are not planning to support my ops using the Orca "corp" hanger then you need to make my orca not have a "corp" hanger - instead change it to non-corp pilot defined hangers that can be used by an op.. I have a load of alliance folk I mine with... they are not in my corp but they certainly aren't going to join my corp and let their own die just so they can be allowed to use MY hangers.

Quote:
we're considering properly revisiting the functionality of these ships and changing it from a "corp hangar" to a "fleet hangar" that's more closely aligned with what the actual use-cases are.


You have supported this use in the past.. so "not planning to" amounts to you're taking something away. Please make the idea in the above quote happen sooner than later... Fleet Hangers would be a fine change.. but taking them away has hurt alliance mining fleets.

I understand restricting the maintanance bay.... but I'm not happy with this.

  - remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not  "afk" cloaking -

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Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#106 - 2012-04-27 20:50:49 UTC
xAeKa StaRRx wrote:
Even as an orca pilot myself, I can't help but enjoy the river of tears in this thread.
Yeah it changes things, yes its lame that it was a stealth-nerf...Personally I think this enriches mining. If you want to use an orca to gain a logistical advantage over other miners, you've gotta do it as a corp now.



congratulations .. you've earned my biggest idiot of the day award.

  - remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not  "afk" cloaking -

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Rykuss
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#107 - 2012-04-27 20:56:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Rykuss
Barbara Nichole wrote:
xAeKa StaRRx wrote:
Even as an orca pilot myself, I can't help but enjoy the river of tears in this thread.
Yeah it changes things, yes its lame that it was a stealth-nerf...Personally I think this enriches mining. If you want to use an orca to gain a logistical advantage over other miners, you've gotta do it as a corp now.



congratulations .. you've earned my biggest idiot of the day award.


Now, now. Let's let them have their little hurrah. We'll see how that goes after Inferno and bring that up later when they add their "tears" to the thread. Once the full brunt of this change takes effect. Besides, it'll be funnier. Of course, I have a sadistic sense of humor though. Lol

You, too, can be a Solid Gold dancer.
xAeKa StaRRx
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#108 - 2012-04-27 21:00:01 UTC
Barbara Nichole wrote:
xAeKa StaRRx wrote:
Even as an orca pilot myself, I can't help but enjoy the river of tears in this thread.
Yeah it changes things, yes its lame that it was a stealth-nerf...Personally I think this enriches mining. If you want to use an orca to gain a logistical advantage over other miners, you've gotta do it as a corp now.



congratulations .. you've earned my biggest idiot of the day award.


Awesome, are you going to mail it to me? Or do I have to come pick it up somewhere?

Call me whatever names you want, I will continue to feel no sympathy for you and will go about my business unaffected by this change.
Rykuss
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#109 - 2012-04-27 21:39:24 UTC
xAeKa StaRRx wrote:
Barbara Nichole wrote:
xAeKa StaRRx wrote:
Even as an orca pilot myself, I can't help but enjoy the river of tears in this thread.
Yeah it changes things, yes its lame that it was a stealth-nerf...Personally I think this enriches mining. If you want to use an orca to gain a logistical advantage over other miners, you've gotta do it as a corp now.



congratulations .. you've earned my biggest idiot of the day award.


Awesome, are you going to mail it to me? Or do I have to come pick it up somewhere?

Call me whatever names you want, I will continue to feel no sympathy for you and will go about my business unaffected by this change.


I won't have any sympathy for player corps should NPC corp players target their orcas with tornado suicide squads in retaliation. That's not a bad idea, actually.

You, too, can be a Solid Gold dancer.
GameMeister
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#110 - 2012-04-27 22:34:42 UTC
Okay okay... the Orca is not an option and this IS of course intended to be this way because of Escalation & Inferno... CCP's grandioso plans for ENFORCING you and me to submit to their idea of a better WAR MACHINE. We wanna make wars more 'hardcore'... we wanna see your whimpering miner arses on Spike TV - 101 Ways To Die...!!! And I suppose these same afflictions have affected the Rorqual too... cuz it has Corporate Cargo Bays as well.

I dont suppose NOW... would be a good time to suggest to CCP that they design us a T3 mining vessel.
non judgement
Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
#111 - 2012-04-27 23:50:42 UTC
GameMeister wrote:
Okay okay... the Orca is not an option and this IS of course intended to be this way because of Escalation & Inferno... CCP's grandioso plans for ENFORCING you and me to submit to their idea of a better WAR MACHINE. We wanna make wars more 'hardcore'... we wanna see your whimpering miner arses on Spike TV - 101 Ways To Die...!!! And I suppose these same afflictions have affected the Rorqual too... cuz it has Corporate Cargo Bays as well.

I dont suppose NOW... would be a good time to suggest to CCP that they design us a T3 mining vessel.

Maybe we could ask for a mining ship that automagically sends the ore to any station you want. So we don't have to worry about how to put our ore in to an orca or silly things like that. We wont have to dock either, so we're a target for gankers all the time. It's a win/win situation.
Bohoba
#112 - 2012-04-28 00:44:05 UTC
Well I had to make a corp :( not very happy atm
Ace Von Space
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#113 - 2012-04-28 02:28:59 UTC
xAeKa StaRRx wrote:
Barbara Nichole wrote:
xAeKa StaRRx wrote:
Even as an orca pilot myself, I can't help but enjoy the river of tears in this thread.
Yeah it changes things, yes its lame that it was a stealth-nerf...Personally I think this enriches mining. If you want to use an orca to gain a logistical advantage over other miners, you've gotta do it as a corp now.



congratulations .. you've earned my biggest idiot of the day award.


Awesome, are you going to mail it to me? Or do I have to come pick it up somewhere?

Call me whatever names you want, I will continue to feel no sympathy for you and will go about my business unaffected by this change.



She WAS going to pop by and drop it in your Orca's hangar, but ohh wait, can't do that no mo Sad
Jockstrap Johnson
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#114 - 2012-04-28 05:23:56 UTC
Any chance we could get another packet of info from CCP on this to clarify the situation?

I'm surrounded by Trolls.
Buck Futz
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#115 - 2012-04-28 11:19:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Buck Futz
HAHAHA.

This is awesome.

It is a minor inconvenience for gankers. (I have to be in the same corp as the Orca to unfit my T2 guns after ganking a miner, now.)

But pages of sadness from broken bots and lazy miners.

Lets see, off the top of my head:

Workaround A) jetcans and tractorbeams.
Workaround B) I don't know, join the same corp maybe?
Workaround C) When you set up your new 'unwardeccable' NPC mining fleets, make sure they are all in the same NPC corp. Lol


CCP, you seem to be putting a lot of effort into Orcas lately. Lets see the corp hangar made scannable - and make it drop loot as well. 'Stealth cargo bays' need to be dealt with.
Ryuku Chent-Shi
Please Try Again War
#116 - 2012-04-28 11:37:29 UTC
Jockstrap Johnson wrote:
Any chance we could get another packet of info from CCP on this to clarify the situation?


Last time i saw a big crisis (Incarna patch), CCP did'nt clearly response to the players. it took weeks with mass unsubscribing players to have a true answer.

Last time, CCP had poor communication with players, it doesn't seem to change.
Generally CCP dev reply to player when they warn about a bug (ie bug criminal tag due to time dilitation at jita).
But in our case, we have non clear message and no answer after. CPP seems to ignore our requests.

There is a big difference between "oops it is a bug, it will take time to correct, but we will do it" and "for some reasons we dont want to correct and with time player will deal with it".
You can't change a major use of a ship use during years just like that. When CCP change Super cap and titan, they warn players a long time before they give us good reason. I know pilot of supercap, they wasn't happy about it, but they accept it because it create a new challenge.

So I want to say no i don't accept it right now this change. Until give an true honest reason to this change.
CPP give the worst answer "That's not something that we're planning on supporting". it works for years, and now we don't care if it is broken...

What are we for you ? Only players ?
We are more, we are customer who pay every month. You should at least response to your customer
non judgement
Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
#117 - 2012-04-28 13:49:49 UTC  |  Edited by: non judgement
Buck Futz wrote:
HAHAHA.

This is awesome.

It is a minor inconvenience for gankers. (I have to be in the same corp as the Orca to unfit my T2 guns after ganking a miner, now.)

But pages of sadness from broken bots and lazy miners.

Lets see, off the top of my head:

Workaround A) jetcans and tractorbeams.
Workaround B) I don't know, join the same corp maybe?
Workaround C) When you set up your new 'unwardeccable' NPC mining fleets, make sure they are all in the same NPC corp. Lol


CCP, you seem to be putting a lot of effort into Orcas lately. Lets see the corp hangar made scannable - and make it drop loot as well. 'Stealth cargo bays' need to be dealt with.

Very unusual Tears comment. Considering your alliance probably became very angry and/or sad when CCP made it hard for you guys to swap ships while killing mission runners? I remember reading eve blogs from people who were in tears talking about the changes CCP made with the orca.

So you guys learned to adapt and survive without the orca helping you? Wow, I'm impressed.

We know we can adapt to this change. Thank you for your wonderful workarounds. Please feel free to help us tomorrow when we need to figure out a way to tell what colour the sky is.
Rykuss
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#118 - 2012-04-28 20:45:07 UTC
Buck Futz wrote:
HAHAHA.

This is awesome.

It is a minor inconvenience for gankers. (I have to be in the same corp as the Orca to unfit my T2 guns after ganking a miner, now.)

But pages of sadness from broken bots and lazy miners.

Lets see, off the top of my head:

Workaround A) jetcans and tractorbeams.
Workaround B) I don't know, join the same corp maybe?
Workaround C) When you set up your new 'unwardeccable' NPC mining fleets, make sure they are all in the same NPC corp. Lol


CCP, you seem to be putting a lot of effort into Orcas lately. Lets see the corp hangar made scannable - and make it drop loot as well. 'Stealth cargo bays' need to be dealt with.


Who actually bothers to unfit their cheap guns? Certainly none of the gankers that attempted and failed against me. They used their NPC orca pilot to eject their gank boats before and they will continue to do so. You didn't have to commit your orca to the corp before and you won't have to now. You know it, I know it. So drop the "I adapted" routine, it falls apart when the people you're addressing actually know how things work. The only reason it's even possible for negative sec "elite pvp'ers" to continue the way they do in the first place is because of alts, usually NPC.

The other play-style this change did impact was ninjas and you seem to be butthurt about that. Maybe that's where your comment about fitting comes from. It is indeed a lame change. I know several ninjas, who also gank, personally. Their stories and the eve mails they share with me are hilarious.

Clearly, CCP intended that NPC corps be used for gank alts. If ganking really were an issue, CCP would have addressed it. Since they didn't, it is my belief that we should all stop mining, manufacturing, doing PI and inventing. We should be using our characters for their intended purpose. If CCP intervenes, we should riot in jita and alert the news media. After all, this is a sandbox PvP game. Lol

You, too, can be a Solid Gold dancer.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#119 - 2012-04-29 04:10:49 UTC
Buck Futz wrote:
Workaround A) jetcans and tractorbeams.
Workaround B) I don't know, join the same corp maybe?
Workaround C) When you set up your new 'unwardeccable' NPC mining fleets, make sure they are all in the same NPC corp. Lol


Avoiding jetcans and tractors is why we use Orcas.

What's wrong with corp hangars being alliance-accessible? This will make life quite difficult for alliances sharing POSes too.

I'm not sure that NPC pilots have access to the corp hangar of Orcas that are in the same NPC corp.

People will find workarounds, it's just that the nerf was unannounced: at least the sanctum nerf was publicised at FanFest 2011. Guess CCP Greyscale just decided the bad feedback last year was a sign that he shouldn't have announced things that he breaks.

Day 0 Advice for New Players
Keeper O'Secrets
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#120 - 2012-04-29 09:01:06 UTC
bump as this NEEDS FIXING