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How highsec miners threaten EVE, and how we can stop them. Manifesto II.

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Siobhan MacLeary
Doomheim
#481 - 2012-04-28 01:40:12 UTC
Takseen wrote:
Siobhan MacLeary wrote:

Even trying to fight back will win you some respect. The point isn't to prevent the gank or to retaliate, the point is to show some goddamn backbone and punch someone in the face for f--king with you.


Can't prevent the gank and can't retaliate, but can get "respect" from goons. Sounds great!



You're missing the point. Not all gankers are goons. If you fight back, they might actually respect you enough that they'll take you seriously when you tell them you want to be left alone - or that you want to break into nullsec and learn to PVP.

Risk and reward, pal - nothing ventured, nothing gained.

“Point out to me a person who has been harmed by an AFK cloaker and I will point out a person who has no business playing this game.” - CCP Soundwave
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#482 - 2012-04-28 01:45:05 UTC
You do realize the most impacting speeches were the shorted right? the human attention span isn't that long, no matter who you are, so in the end even open minded people like me really read nothing.

The Gettysburg Address-Lincoln

Pretty much most of winston churchill speeches too.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#483 - 2012-04-28 01:46:08 UTC
Siobhan MacLeary wrote:

You're missing the point. Not all gankers are goons. If you fight back, they might actually respect you enough that they'll take you seriously when you tell them you want to be left alone - or that you want to break into nullsec and learn to PVP.

Risk and reward, pal - nothing ventured, nothing gained.


>There's nothing you can do to prevent a gank or retaliate against the gankers, but if you put on a good show, they might take pity on you and let you join their cool club.

Is that about it?
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#484 - 2012-04-28 01:59:26 UTC
Markus Reese wrote:
You do realize the most impacting speeches were the shorted right? the human attention span isn't that long, no matter who you are, so in the end even open minded people like me really read nothing.

The Gettysburg Address-Lincoln

Pretty much most of winston churchill speeches too.


It isn't a speech. Why not just admit that you really don't have a firm grasp of the written language?

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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Doomheim
#485 - 2012-04-28 02:27:45 UTC
Takseen wrote:
Siobhan MacLeary wrote:
Takseen wrote:
Fuujin wrote:


And if the argument is "4 people shouldn't be able to kill my one guy" then...I have no words to adequately describe that level of callow bleating.



I'd be more annoyed at the fact that 4 people can kill one guy, and his 3(or 6, or 16) friends can't do anything about it.


Can't? More like won't. Go gank the gankers, that's doing something about it. Learn to fly and fit a destroyer. There's nothing except your own apathy preventing you from taking action and fighting back.


Suicide gank destroyers in destroyers? When the targets are likely to be experienced combat vets or disposable alts? And as you've admitted, there's no way to pre-empt the gank, and Concord already provides immediate retaliation.


see its called trolling....

Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game
Corbin Blair
Doomheim
#486 - 2012-04-28 02:38:37 UTC
Takseen wrote:
Stuff

What are you supposed to be anyway, my good twin?
Brisco County
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#487 - 2012-04-28 02:47:19 UTC
I'd complain about the length of this post, but I have a fully functional brain capable of reading things that are longer than one page.
Marvin
Galactic Special Forces
#488 - 2012-04-28 02:49:54 UTC
Siobhan MacLeary wrote:
Takseen wrote:
Siobhan MacLeary wrote:

Even trying to fight back will win you some respect. The point isn't to prevent the gank or to retaliate, the point is to show some goddamn backbone and punch someone in the face for f--king with you.


Can't prevent the gank and can't retaliate, but can get "respect" from goons. Sounds great!



You're missing the point. Not all gankers are goons. If you fight back, they might actually respect you enough that they'll take you seriously when you tell them you want to be left alone - or that you want to break into nullsec and learn to PVP.

Risk and reward, pal - nothing ventured, nothing gained.


bullshit....**** in...**** out...:)
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#489 - 2012-04-28 03:30:23 UTC
Corbin Blair wrote:

I really doubt anyone would mind you mining in your free time. I think they were just worried that when space needed defending you wouldn't help out. If you're a miner who doesn't mind doing some PvP when the alliance needs it I don't see why they wouldn't want you.


I too would want a goat I can sacrifice whenever I want and who has to pay me for the privileged of getting up at 1 AM to lose all his mining income being designated target.

And his buddies can be designated target to!
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#490 - 2012-04-28 03:36:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Jessie-A Tassik
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Corbin Blair wrote:

Tyberius Franklin wrote:

Maybe I'm misreading the intent of the question then. What I'm seeing is a question of "If my primary activities are not PvP, am I welcome by people who live in PvP space?" This is considerably different from asking, "I'm new, can I PvP with you guys?"

I read it as more like "I'm mainly interested in PvE, but am willing to learn to PvP with you guys too if you'll teach me." It did specifically say that he was willing to learn PvP.

Willingness to learn PvP on some level would be necessary in both situations. Both should be willing, in the case of null, to join HD fleets and CTA's to contribute, but what about the guy that would rather scan for cosmic sigs than go on a roam?


No he should not.

You see there is this thing called "good faith". Idiots assume it.

Forced PvP is easily forced billions and billions of losses if the "bosses" don't like you. Cause you is care bear.

Everyone knows that and not one person here is even going to pretend that isn't the case.
Diablo Ex
Nocturne Holdings
#491 - 2012-04-28 03:59:12 UTC
You just can't fix STUPID

Diablo Ex Machina - "I'm not here to fix your problem"
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#492 - 2012-04-28 04:01:20 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:


It isn't a speech. Why not just admit that you really don't have a firm grasp of the written language?


I have a fairly comprehensive grasp of the english language, probably better than most. Manifesto is just a speech on paper. Point still stands it was alot of word without meaning because no clear statement can be derived from it.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
ATTAKowl
Standard Issue Strategic Action
#493 - 2012-04-28 05:31:28 UTC
I took a shot of whiskey every time the OP typed the word 'carebears' and now very drunkenly salute his outlook on the state of Eve! Long live PVP in EVERY region! Pirate
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Doomheim
#494 - 2012-04-28 05:41:47 UTC
Diablo Ex wrote:
You just can't fix STUPID


Man I with you could tho for the sake of these forums

Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#495 - 2012-04-28 05:49:16 UTC
Nick Bison wrote:
Methinks that level of butt-hurt hatred has to be caused by a miner stealing his girlfriend/wife.


I suspect that James 315 is a sock puppet of The Mittani, spewing forth anti-miner rhetoric in an attempt to drive the destruction of Hulks, and thus drive the demand for Technetium — which as it so happens is a resource that CFC has access to and control of. In the Internet Spaceships world of politics, the OP is basically agitprop.

Shills and dills.

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Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#496 - 2012-04-28 05:54:55 UTC
Corbin Blair wrote:
EFF ONEF1 wrote:
both sides are asking CCP to change/remove/nerf/buff they way the other side plays the game.

everyone is a hypocrite.

No, actually. I agreed with the miners when they wanted better tanks for hulks. It's stupid that they can't fit a tank equivalent to other medium T2 ships. They have no hardpoints and tiny drone bays so it's not like they'll suddenly become uber combat ships. I also think high sec income should be nerfed severely. I haven't mined since the beginning of Eve, but when I did, I did it in a 0.2. I'm all for miners getting all the buffs they want. Believe it or not it's possible to be a miner who isn't a carebear. I'd love if they doubled the income from arkanor in fact. I do, however, want to nerf the **** out of carebears of all kinds and won't be happy until high sec income is appropriate for the newbie area that it is. I'd like level 3 mission income to be cut in half and level 4 missions and incursions to be moved to low sec.



Precisely. Ninja-nerf highsec by buffing low and null - problem solved.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#497 - 2012-04-28 05:57:51 UTC
Jeeze Louise, thanks for providing us with this long winded bag of hot air.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#498 - 2012-04-28 06:00:51 UTC
ATTAKowl wrote:
I took a shot of whiskey every time the OP typed the word 'carebears' and now very drunkenly salute his outlook on the state of Eve! Long live PVP in EVERY region! Pirate

His outlook seemed quite different from pvp in every region.

Uh, I think?

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Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#499 - 2012-04-28 06:13:12 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Too long, didn't read most of it.

What I did read was hysterical garbage.


What you did not read was the truth about people like you. You don't need to read it as you already know it's true.
Elvin Gizza
Gerek Ore And Moon Surveying
#500 - 2012-04-28 06:20:40 UTC
why didnt you write it with your main?