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CCP Stop catering to casual PvPer's like Goons

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Fenix Sun
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-04-28 00:27:09 UTC

Title says it all, I'm told Warfare links are soon to not work unless your fleet booster is on grid, I go about my business
on the internet and in eve and hear Titans are getting nerfed because of goons lack of Titans and inability to adjust and
put in the same effort and work to get there own Titans to fight back.. No, I don't fly Titans but I do have x2 Fleet Boosting accounts. I spent alot of time training my fleet boosters and money paying there subs to have them give me certain advantages in the game, advantages it looks like I will soon not be able to utilize anymore despite having put in the work and effort to attain them. So I'm done, This is the last active account I have (of 4 total) and I have no plans to re sub again after being here for nearly 4 years..


So why wright the post...? Because Now I can say whatever I want, and well **** you if you don't like it.

Goons are casual PvPer's and casual PvPer's are the majority in any mmo (No I don't have any personal vendetta against goons I don't know even one of them) What I do know however is there inability to adjust and or deal with being attacked by titans
and what changes this is effecting in a once Hardcore PvP game. And it makes me angry.. although I understand where there coming from as in the eyes of a casual PvPer they don't feel it's fair they bring more guys to a fight and then get **** on by a small amount of players with bigger weapons.. this thought while understandable, does not matter in a Real PVP game or whats more a real PvP/War game..

PvP Is NOT FAIR.
War is NOT FAIR.
You Will DIE.

rather then wine about things not being the way you thought they should be and raging for the developers to change the game into what you think it should be, you could had put the effort/time and got your own Titans (the same effort your enemy
had to put in to get there's) Instead you say, "they hit there I Win button.." but you don't hesitate to flex your own advantages in combat or while you run around and scam people and whatever else you do in the game.. The difference here is Simple you don't have the advantage now, and to save face your cry OP!, OP!, Titans OP!!! CCP Nerf my enemy cause we can't beat them... (every pilot in the game has the ability to fly every ship in the game. it only cost will/want/time and effort.) A ship is only op if your the one who doesn't have any and the only person at fault is.. well... you.

Now back to what matters to me for a second. Fleet boosting Surprise! I created and trained two accounts for fleet boosting
I spent literally alot of money alot of time and alot of effort to train my fleet boosters I play solo accept for my alts almost always. Solo is not a eve Friendly term when it comes to PvP or anything really. engage a target on a gate is 1v1 it feels like fair PvP right? engage a target on a gate and they jump in 50 man fleet and now it's 1v50 still seem fair? peoples view will be different here.. this is the kind of thing that separates casual PvPer's and Hardcore PvPer's.. HC PvPer will have a laugh 1v50 ******* bastards, while the casual PvP gets on the forums and wines to the developers about it being unfair.

PvP is Not Fair and War is Not FAIR. If your looking for Fair PvP your looking for arena style competitive games with rules. Eve is Open world PVP which means you are going to die and probably more often then not, you are going to die against something that is unfair in nature. You have to play this type of game differently, grab every advantage you can to be competitive, Fleet boosting alts is one way alot of people do this. If the changes are indeed true that there changing Fleet boosting to only apply if your booster is on grid then they are changing a fundamental aspect of the game a rule that was made when they were introduced and has always been this way.. I paid money/time./effort to have this advantage which I will lose because people wine about it being unfair or whatever other reason.. CCP integrity is gone, there catering to Casual gamers like every other mmo in the world and that's ok. but I can not any longer trust them with my money to be an investment in my game experience anymore.
is Simple, I paid lots of money to be able to use my fleet boosters and ALOT of time training them etc, I didn't do this because I like flying a fleet booster there ******* boring as hell, I only PvP on my main account ever.. so even if they were changed to be good in combat also I still can't fly more then one ship at the same time on grid in a fight and I'm not gonna fight with a fleet boosting ship on an alt account..
I gave CCP my money for these accounts and Put in my Time/Effort as an investment to the Entertainment I get out of the game. taking it away is Bullshit changing it to something else is bullshit.. CCP took years of Money and Time from me and now they decided what they sold me they want to exchange for something else and I have no choice but to buy into it or leve.
So I leve, I have no disillusion my 4 accounts will hurt CCP and that's fine by me.

But I most especially wanted to take this opportunity to say how I felt about Titans/Goons and Fleet boosting. Make no mistake I never claimed to be some feared PvPer I was ok at best but I learned to deal with things and adjust to circumstances while I played instead of crying to developers to nerf something to suit me so I could win.


CCP Cheers
Everyone that's Killed me Cheers
Everyone I killed Cheers
Goons /finger fake ass pvper's

CCP Stop catering casual PvPer's like Goons, The world is full of Casual PvP games and there alot more Casual overall then eve could ever be. so you can not compete in that market.. Eve Is known for being a Hardcore PvP Game Once it loses the "Hardcore" from that title it's just another Casual PvP game with a **** UI.
Hope you guys the best of luck..
Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-04-28 00:27:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Karn Dulake
The Goons mostly stick to Nullsec, mostly


So the tl:dr version of that was "I trained up a booster alt to give me an advantage and now i cant use it"

Also regarding the Goons

I know a lot of Goons and they are nice people but they are the ultimate role players. Just because most of them are no hope no lifers who are self diagnosed Aspies who spend most of their time hiding in the shadows because they think that life has rejected them they are not really evil. They are just playing a role and enjoying themselves


Mittans

Mittans is also the ultimate roleplayer. Although in real life he looks like a metrosexual who belongs in a Chicago Bathhouse with a dog collar around his neck and a bottle of lube taped to his lower back he is in fact a "married" man who likes to pretend he is a nasty vicious psychopath in game.


Dont sweat the small stuff fella they are just playing the sand box there own way.
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-04-28 00:29:07 UTC
Can I have your stuff?

"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin

Torneach
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-04-28 00:29:08 UTC
Eh?
Alpheias
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-04-28 00:30:18 UTC
Your awful post gave me nacrolepsy.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.

KrakizBad
Section 8.
#6 - 2012-04-28 00:31:59 UTC
That's a lot of "whaaaaa"
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-04-28 00:32:27 UTC
ibtl

Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game

Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#8 - 2012-04-28 00:32:36 UTC
Fenix Sun wrote:

Title says it all, I'm told Warfare links are soon to not work unless your fleet booster is on grid, I go about my business
on the internet and in eve and hear Titans are getting nerfed because of goons lack of Titans and inability to adjust and
put in the same effort and work to get there own Titans to fight back.. No, I don't fly Titans but I do have x2 Fleet Boosting accounts. I spent alot of time training my fleet boosters and money paying there subs to have them give me certain advantages in the game, advantages it looks like I will soon not be able to utilize anymore despite having put in the work and effort to attain them. So I'm done, This is the last active account I have (of 4 total) and I have no plans to re sub again after being here for nearly 4 years..


So why wright the post...? Because Now I can say whatever I want, and well **** you if you don't like it.

Goons are casual PvPer's and casual PvPer's are the majority in any mmo (No I don't have any personal vendetta against goons I don't know even one of them) What I do know however is there inability to adjust and or deal with being attacked by titans
and what changes this is effecting in a once Hardcore PvP game. And it makes me angry.. although I understand where there coming from as in the eyes of a casual PvPer they don't feel it's fair they bring more guys to a fight and then get **** on by a small amount of players with bigger weapons.. this thought while understandable, does not matter in a Real PVP game or whats more a real PvP/War game..

PvP Is NOT FAIR.
War is NOT FAIR.
You Will DIE.

rather then wine about things not being the way you thought they should be and raging for the developers to change the game into what you think it should be, you could had put the effort/time and got your own Titans (the same effort your enemy
had to put in to get there's) Instead you say, "they hit there I Win button.." but you don't hesitate to flex your own advantages in combat or while you run around and scam people and whatever else you do in the game.. The difference here is Simple you don't have the advantage now, and to save face your cry OP!, OP!, Titans OP!!! CCP Nerf my enemy cause we can't beat them... (every pilot in the game has the ability to fly every ship in the game. it only cost will/want/time and effort.) A ship is only op if your the one who doesn't have any and the only person at fault is.. well... you.

Now back to what matters to me for a second. Fleet boosting Surprise! I created and trained two accounts for fleet boosting
I spent literally alot of money alot of time and alot of effort to train my fleet boosters I play solo accept for my alts almost always. Solo is not a eve Friendly term when it comes to PvP or anything really. engage a target on a gate is 1v1 it feels like fair PvP right? engage a target on a gate and they jump in 50 man fleet and now it's 1v50 still seem fair? peoples view will be different here.. this is the kind of thing that separates casual PvPer's and Hardcore PvPer's.. HC PvPer will have a laugh 1v50 ******* bastards, while the casual PvP gets on the forums and wines to the developers about it being unfair.

PvP is Not Fair and War is Not FAIR. If your looking for Fair PvP your looking for arena style competitive games with rules. Eve is Open world PVP which means you are going to die and probably more often then not, you are going to die against something that is unfair in nature. You have to play this type of game differently, grab every advantage you can to be competitive, Fleet boosting alts is one way alot of people do this. If the changes are indeed true that there changing Fleet boosting to only apply if your booster is on grid then they are changing a fundamental aspect of the game a rule that was made when they were introduced and has always been this way.. I paid money/time./effort to have this advantage which I will lose because people wine about it being unfair or whatever other reason.. CCP integrity is gone, there catering to Casual gamers like every other mmo in the world and that's ok. but I can not any longer trust them with my money to be an investment in my game experience anymore.
is Simple, I paid lots of money to be able to use my fleet boosters and ALOT of time training them etc, I didn't do this because I like flying a fleet booster there ******* boring as hell, I only PvP on my main account ever.. so even if they were changed to be good in combat also I still can't fly more then one ship at the same time on grid in a fight and I'm not gonna fight with a fleet boosting ship on an alt account..
I gave CCP my money for these accounts and Put in my Time/Effort as an investment to the Entertainment I get out of the game. taking it away is Bullshit changing it to something else is bullshit.. CCP took years of Money and Time from me and now they decided what they sold me they want to exchange for something else and I have no choice but to buy into it or leve.
So I leve, I have no disillusion my 4 accounts will hurt CCP and that's fine by me.

But I most especially wanted to take this opportunity to say how I felt about Titans/Goons and Fleet boosting. Make no mistake I never claimed to be some feared PvPer I was ok at best but I learned to deal with things and adjust to circumstances while I played instead of crying to developers to nerf something to suit me so I could win.


CCP Cheers
Everyone that's Killed me Cheers
Everyone I killed Cheers
Goons /finger fake ass pvper's

CCP Stop catering casual PvPer's like Goons, The world is full of Casual PvP games and there alot more Casual overall then eve could ever be. so you can not compete in that market.. Eve Is known for being a Hardcore PvP Game Once it loses the "Hardcore" from that title it's just another Casual PvP game with a **** UI.
Hope you guys the best of luck..


What is it that you are mad about?

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Tri Vetra
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-04-28 00:34:24 UTC
PvPer's
ChYph3r
Omni Defense Corp.
#10 - 2012-04-28 00:38:31 UTC  |  Edited by: ChYph3r
hey Jackass, i mean op, thats what this game is all about, get over it you ******* carebear ****** bastard!


added in edit:

Btw there is nothing casual about our PVP. Just ask from resent history, Raiden. and White Noise.

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Cougars Scout
CANNOT UNDERSTAND NORMAL THINKING
#11 - 2012-04-28 00:39:28 UTC
There VS their VS they are .... You horrible American.
Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Ixion Defence Systems
#12 - 2012-04-28 00:40:20 UTC
Your assumptions are wrong.
You say that you like to solo pvp, but a few lines later you say you had your fleet booster alt somewhere in system and that doesn't count?

You don't even know why the Titans are claimed to be overpowered, and you spit pure idiotic and non existent assumptions.

To give you a nice example, by your faulty logic a Battleship should never die to a group of players in ships up to battlecruisers.

When you leave please contract your assets as well as at least one of your boosting alts to me. Obviously you are too afraid to commit them to a fight.
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-04-28 00:53:35 UTC
Ohh look another l337 pvper that uses 4 accounts to "solo pvp". Boosting from a POS, boosting on a station 100 AU away, it's unbalanced and doesn't make any sense.

Sorry but you suck. Your tactics are lame. Just like the falcon alts before you. Learn2play. Nothing worse than a blobber losing his iwin button and then whining about it.

Pathetic.
TWHC Assistant
#14 - 2012-04-28 00:57:41 UTC
You probably never paid a penny to CCP for your alts anyway. Bye-bye!
Digital Messiah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-04-28 01:07:51 UTC
The on grid change hurts miners more than it will ever hurt combat pilots. Why should an entire fleets support be able to sit off grid. They might as well allow you to boost an entire system from within the protection of a station. No ship required... So buck up and learn to multibox.

Something clever

Ezekiel DeSangre
#16 - 2012-04-28 01:08:42 UTC
Karn Dulake wrote:
The Goons mostly stick to Nullsec, mostly


So the tl:dr version of that was "I trained up a booster alt to give me an advantage and now i cant use it"

Also regarding the Goons

I know a lot of Goons and they are nice people but they are the ultimate role players. Just because most of them are no hope no lifers who are self diagnosed Aspies who spend most of their time hiding in the shadows because they think that life has rejected them they are not really evil. They are just playing a role and enjoying themselves


Mittans

Mittans is also the ultimate roleplayer. Although in real life he looks like a metrosexual who belongs in a Chicago Bathhouse with a dog collar around his neck and a bottle of lube taped to his lower back he is in fact a "married" man who likes to pretend he is a nasty vicious psychopath in game.


Dont sweat the small stuff fella they are just playing the sand box there own way.


HAH! Good lawls.. Lol

Meh..

Fenix Sun
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-04-28 01:25:39 UTC
Vaal Erit wrote:
Ohh look another l337 pvper that uses 4 accounts to "solo pvp". Boosting from a POS, boosting on a station 100 AU away, it's unbalanced and doesn't make any sense.

Sorry but you suck. Your tactics are lame. Just like the falcon alts before you. Learn2play. Nothing worse than a blobber losing his iwin button and then whining about it.

Pathetic.


LoL I admit my English is not the best or even close as for being American I am not, I live in America with a student visa.
what country do you come from so I can stereo type the rest of your people for your stupid comment?
I said I Play Solo with my alts as In I play by myself with my alts and not with other players. Yes my alt fleet boosting with every chance I get.. and normally even with that I am still outnumber or outmatched in PvP more often then not. which is ok it's a PvP game and that's the way it is. the fact if it's fair or not fair doesn't matter. as even with a alt fleet boosting alt I am almost always outnumbered in any fight.

The point as I may not have illustrated well because of my English is in it's simplest form, that a Titan maybe infact OP but the game is still a game and everyone has the same advantage if they choose to take it. ergo: If my Enemy dropped 30 titans on me
every time I fought them and it seemed like they always win because of it.. I wouldn't fight them, until I could drop 30 titans on them and keep a good fight a good fight. but goons instead of work the problem go complain to developers to fix the game to how they think it should work.. they feel in titled to win from numbers and not by actually learning the skills the other players have learned to be able to drop 30 titans to begin with.. and when CCP acknowledge this I lost faith in them to make the right choice for the game. Yes maybe some aspects of the Titan are OP for whatever reason you can argue it all day.. I don't care to argue it at all.
If I would had been CCP I would had told goons to harden the **** up prepare for war proper by training there own titans
and then maybe they wouldn't get walked on by people who already spent the time to train and prepare to have those advantages.

to address the quote above: there is no set fight in eve, 1v1 maybe sure, 1v30, 60v150 etc etc you can not balance PvP you can kinda balance ships with one another but that doesn't matter either in PvP people are gonna bring anything they can to take advantage being good at pvp
means being able to adapt to whats happening, not How many ships you can bring or how many people.. I can play with me and my alt that's x2 players ok my alt is safe and I fly to gate and engage says 2 ships there and there gang jumps in of say another 10 ships.. the game can never be fair doesn't matter if I am another one of these people you speak of or not and it doesn't make me bad becuae I play with one other alt online at a time or had 4 accounts. as when I play solo all odds are on the fleet of players I'm fighting and not me regardless of my fleet boosting. not to mention most gangs will have there own fleet booster aswell if there any good.
If you feel like oyu have to change something about the game to suit your needs I don't think your a real PvPer and I don't think your anything mroe then casual gamer at best. if you were hardcore you would man up and deal with it as it was.. instead you wine to devs for changes so you can win instead of working out the problem.

there was a post on another forum I read little while ago made perfect since for my thoughts in what makes a ow pvp what it is I will maybe try to find that later and post it here ..


at any rate :p I didn't expect popularity when I say something about the goons my view is from a completely neutral view of Goons as a Long time PvPer and what I see when I read about goons and what they say on forums and there little address voice recordings and what not.. I see casual PvPer's that want to change the game to suit them and there needs because they are unable to adapt man up and play the game by the current rule set.
and I'll prove it with one question.... Still getting rick rolled by titans goons? LawL ofc you are your waiting for CCP to patch you in some victory.

cheers
Xython
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
#18 - 2012-04-28 01:29:23 UTC
So this... this is a thread.

How about that.
T' Elk
Into the Ether
WE FORM BL0B
#19 - 2012-04-28 01:29:58 UTC
Your ignorance is bad and you should feel bad.

~Badposter since FOOOOREEEEEVAAAAAR~ I come back after 2 years to THIS? ~Now 4 years apparently

Fenix Sun
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-04-28 01:32:05 UTC
Cougars Scout wrote:
There VS their VS they are .... You horrible American.




I am not American, You horrible person. lawl

I know this after living in America for awhile now, I don't think It to smart to say things like that.
I know you wouldn't say that here in America with out finding out why this is the most violent
country in the world.

but ofc this is the internet ~ isn't it.

I <3 America btw greatest country on earth.
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