Missions & Complexes

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Let me think . Vg's making profit forced y to use the ISK for pvp fun. Now lvl4 give more but they are boring as hell to do so how that affect to the average "carebear" and his pvp ? max 50 mil ship ? Lets turn it to world of rifter now

In the end why people really cry about the ISK incursion gave ?
PvPer's would benefit from having higher ISK cost ships to fight.
PvEr's would benefit from a environment where you are coordinating to do something and not solo content.

The way i see it the only benefit from this nerf is to forum trolls

Well they were a bit unbalanced but mostly because 0.0 epeens cried hard as they always do. Pussies that they are.

I'm sorry, what's this gibberish? ONLY incursion runners spend billions on their ships/clones/implants for the purpose of PVE? Hmmm, what other "professions" spend billions of ISK on their ships/implants... Other than missioners, miners, wormholers, ratters and explorers, I can't think of anybody who spends billions of ISK on their ships/implants...



How, in your right mind (I know, assuming you're sane is a stretch), can you honestly believe that 160-180mil per hour IN HIGHSEC was anything but imbalanced? Sure, that's the high end, but even when the low-end PUG fleets were making 50-60mil ISK per hour they were still making double what the average Missioner or high-end Miners were making.

Your claim, as well as those of other deluded Incursion runners, that you can make more than the 60mil ISK per hour that post-nerf Incursions now offer with mining, mission running or any other activity that involves minimal risk is blatant bullshit. High-sec exploration is likely the only other activity that now offers similar rewards as High-sec Incursions once did with similar amounts of risk and competition with the added twist that the randomness of exploration means you could make billions or nothing at all. Though that competition is likely to increase even further with the re-balancing of Incursions forcing some of their brighter participants into new revenue streams.

Finally, the one claim that I see many Incursion defenders raise more than any other, is that the nerf to Incursions has damaged the social aspect of the game, and that forcing players into a solo Mission/Mining/Whatever grind removes the potential for social interaction. This, I'm afraid, is the worst possible claim that the Incursion whiners are making. It's as if they aren't aware that Miners, Missioners, Wormholers, Ratters and even *gasp* on occasion, Explorers often band together to form their own fleets to exploit their own ISK faucets. It's as if they believe everybody running sites in C3. C4 or greater wormholes are doing it all alone and in silence, or that all miners are soloists or massive bot farms. The fact is, there is the potential for social interaction in every aspect of this game and Incursions are in no way special or unique in their ability to bring people together with the express intent of grinding ISK or griefing the people grinding the ISK.

Bottom line is, if you want people to listen to any legitimate complaints you may have and not dismiss them outright as the whiny, overblown bullshit that it appears to be, you should focus less on this unrealistic expectation that you should be able to PLEX your account in a few hours of gameplay with minimal effort and risk.

You mean, including what they've already done? I agree.

Incursion runners in high sec are reporting 60-70mil ISK per hour in just days after the re-balancing. Once they've truly gotten their footing, do you honestly believe they won't be back to 100mil ISK per hour or more?

Unless you're talking specifically about how the changes affected Low and Null Incursions, then yes, I do believe those areas have suffered too harshly, and do need to be tweaked.