Ships & Modules

I understand your frustration with the plight of the Calamari. Let's fight this fight together, or if you are tired and wish to give up transfer me your assets before you quit and I will do my best to further our common cause.

Hasta la victoria siempre!

So when are they releasing those sweet missile effects?!?!? That ish is gonna be HOT! ...though I do agree that the defender missile mechanics really need a hard look and a fix...I don't shoot at NPCs as a matter of moral fortitude, I simply turn the other cheek, so I can't relate to any of your issues regarding incursions, BOW DOWN TO YOUR SANSHA OVERLORDS! TRUE POWER! TRUE POWER! TRUE POWER!

Defenders do need a fix for PvP though...I would love to run a fleet with 2 point defense Caracals pwning missiles left and right our of the sky :)

Seriously though is there a scheduled date to release the shiny missile effects? I have a whole slew of missile ships ready for that day (Vengeance, Drake...ermm...Drake...erm...Hookbill?...)

OR there are other aspects about those ships that make them good regardless of what you arm them with. Missiles allow Tengus to be popular because they mean you're not stuck with hybrids (though I know some folks to are quite happy messing around with the gun subsystem). It has nothing to do with missiles being particularly good themselves. Missiles allow Drakes to be popular because you don't have a choice unless you're doing some stupid disco-drake (for the .000005 seconds you'd be able to power it), not because missiles themselves are particularly good.

I'm not going to argue that rockets, lights, and heavies in any way suck, HAMs probably are 'ok' as well (still don't see the need for them, but that's just me). They're far from "ideal" however when compared to projectiles and lasers, especailly if they have to try and work alongside projectiles and lasers.

Cruise and Torps do in fact suck right now though- Cruise take about as long to get to their targets as it does to finish a small fight, and when they get there... it's not really that spectacular anymore. Torps are only workable on incredibly bonused ships or with a well-bonused ship a a ton of support... for the amount of set-up and support they require, there just isn't a payoff compared to the blasters or ACs you may as well be using unless you were all out of hulls that didn't sound like "Raven."

Adding in a "shiny-ship" isn't even remotely a good idea, though- all of the existing faction ships hugely exaggerate the power of their associated weapons, which is exactly the sort of thing you don't want to introduce when there's basic work to be done. Even if there *was* a shiny missile ship it'd still probably be picked last unless it had some silly +10,000% missile velocity bonus or such to work around a couple of the more common reasons people don't want to bother working with mixed gun/missile fleets.

Honestly, I would like to see the following:

Missile/rocket based destroyer: the only option is t2. Could we please get a missile dessie that could mount 8 standard or rocket launchers, or 4 rapid standard launchers?

A few pirate faction based missile boats. Yeah, the worm, gila, and rattlesnake are nice... But are drone boats. How about some pirate faction love?

A heavy bomber... 2-3 bong launchers, no tank, no covert op cloak. Could be way too overpowered, but fun.

bong launchers sound awesome! I think missiles should have more of an Alpha effect, being slammed by 8 cruise missles at once shouldn't be particularly health for the enemy.

Missile flight time is not an issue btw. I play smart, so I stop sending missiles to a target when it is at 50% armor and start on a new target. That way you won't waste any salvo, and by the time your last salvo hits the target will be dead in a few seconds so no dps loss there. The problem is low dps on caldari ships, and defender missiles on NPC ships. I don't even want to mention explosion radius non sense. After giving it a good thought there are lots of things that is wrong with gameplay mechanics. But these are like this for over years and don't think developers will even bother to chance them. They are more oriented on cosmetic changes right now. What Eve requires is a solid combat revamp like most of the MMORPG games did. I don't even want to start counting illogical things cause there are lots of things that need to be changed which will deeply effect gameplay.

These are just my thoughts but my point that is more solid then ever is missiles/torpedoes need to be revamped. Ofc Eve needs a solid combat revamp over a solid expansion. I can even pay for one expansion if they will bring a good one like 'Wrath of the Lich King' or 'Cataclysm' expansions of World of Warcraft. (Btw I am not defending wow , it is a silly game if you ask me, but their expansions are very good examples of how an expansion should be).

But first things first, missile mechanics need to be changed without doubt.

And yes Tengu is a good ship, and you can do other things as well instead of incursions, but that does not verify missiles are in par with guns/blasters which they should be.

What is a bong launcher?

Rockets are fine, torps are fine for what they do.

personally, i think HAM's & rockets could do with a flight time ( or even a massive speed ) buff, Cruises fly too slow & too far, & thats of no use. who wants to shoot missiles at over 250km anyways??

thats just backwards......

So much wrong on so many levels:
Missiles are bad at incursions. For just about every other form of shooty PVE missiles reign supreme. This is mainly because of the tengu:
Running level 4s? Get a tengu.
Running level 5s? Get a tengu (or a carrier, whatever)
Running in wormholes? Tengu.
Plexing? Again, tengu.
See a pattern? The raven/cnr/golem also rank among the top ships in their classes for pve, as does the drake.
Missiles have slightly lower dps, it's true, but you're ignoring range. They have so much more range than any other race it's absurd. A golem can spew 1k DPS out to 60 km if memory serves, and the tengu actually becomes useful if you stop pretending that incursions = vanguards, tengus make better snipers in assaults than even nightmares. And explosion radius/velocity is also fine as is, missiles get no tracking penalties, and aren't affected by TDs (which are a pain, even in missions)


I'm not really a WoW player myself, but AFAIK their expansions basically amount to:
"All that time and effort you put into getting your character to the max level with the best gear? We've just gone and obsoleted it." That;s the last thing eve needs.
The tengu is a good ship, as is the drake (literally the most flown combat ship in the game) BS missiles need some pvp tweaking, but are already amazing at pve (selectable damage type + best damage projection in the game + no cap usage).

I can at least understand people lamenting the state of missiles in pvp, not realizing that the reason there are so few good missile ships in pvp is that there are so few missile ships to begin with, and expecting them all to be good is absurd, but complaining about them for PVE? Are you insane?