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How highsec miners threaten EVE, and how we can stop them. Manifesto II.

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Letrange
Chaosstorm Corporation
#361 - 2012-04-27 19:08:30 UTC
TL; NWR
Daemon Ceed
Ice Fire Warriors
#362 - 2012-04-27 19:13:36 UTC
OP: Dude, get a feckin' job! I feel like my eyes were viciously raped by your wall of text. You're illusion of self-importance is absurd and should be punished by constant podding. There are obvious problems, but your calls so-called "manifesto" is almost so verbose and akin to the sort of rhetoric that would even make a WWII era Nazi say, "TL;DR".

Put down the keyboard, go outside, and find a woman who may be kind enough to grant you access to her genital region. On second thought, scratch that. I'd hate for your progeny to infest our already screwed up gene pool. Just stop posting.
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#363 - 2012-04-27 19:14:37 UTC
"I don't like complete security, and I do like when a large group of players who live in complete security have that pulled away temporarily. It's going to be healthy." Kristoffer Touborg, on the Burn Jita campaign.

I think EVE is in good hands.

"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin

Obsidian Dagger
Nitrus Nine
#364 - 2012-04-27 19:18:52 UTC
TL:DR

Got the impression of butthurtedness, and some sort of tears about miners.
Fracture Antollare
TEMPCO CORP
#365 - 2012-04-27 19:28:47 UTC
Post 9 -
Wiled <> Whiled.

If CCP wishes to make EVE into the juggernaut that WoW became, then they need to focus on making it cheaper and easier for people to engage each other.

To that end, I must say this is another great series of posts.
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#366 - 2012-04-27 20:30:28 UTC
James 315 wrote:

When I arrived in his ice field, having carefully crafted a way to destroy his supposedly invincible ship, and having painstakingly calculated the means to kill his supposedly unkillable pod--that was the first time he ever played EVE.


Quoted for bump and for support. The fight begins today.
Blunt Smoker269
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#367 - 2012-04-27 20:30:34 UTC
Too lond didn't care to read words from an alt in a NPC corp!!!!
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#368 - 2012-04-27 20:39:59 UTC
Thor Kerrigan wrote:
James 315 wrote:

When I arrived in his ice field, having carefully crafted a way to destroy his supposedly invincible ship, and having painstakingly calculated the means to kill his supposedly unkillable pod--that was the first time he ever played EVE.

Quoted for bump and for support. The fight begins today.

I don't think he wanted to play EVE. Not that kind of EVE, not that way.

But that's the thing about multiplayer games.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Joe Skellington
Sarz'na Khumatari
#369 - 2012-04-27 20:41:41 UTC
TL;DR

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#370 - 2012-04-27 20:46:52 UTC
Joe Skellington wrote:
TL;DR

No shame in not reading and just posting. This is the EVE-O Forums: General Discussion, after all.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#371 - 2012-04-27 20:48:48 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Joe Skellington wrote:
TL;DR

No shame in not reading and just posting. This is the EVE-O Forums: General Discussion, after all.

It was pointless drivel, not worth reading anyway.

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821

Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#372 - 2012-04-27 20:51:14 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Thor Kerrigan wrote:
James 315 wrote:

When I arrived in his ice field, having carefully crafted a way to destroy his supposedly invincible ship, and having painstakingly calculated the means to kill his supposedly unkillable pod--that was the first time he ever played EVE.

Quoted for bump and for support. The fight begins today.

I don't think he wanted to play EVE. Not that kind of EVE, not that way.

But that's the thing about multiplayer games.


I used to build big tower blocks when I was a young un. This experience was entirely satisfactory on its own, and would probably not be improved by someone knocking down my tower at a random time(I preferred to do that myself really).

I've done the whole "getting emotionally involved in high-risk online worlds" thing before. Sure it provides a lot of emotion, but its not really sustainable. Eventually I realised I was never going to get to be part of the top tier who gets to inflict losses instead of sustaining them without spending thousands of RL $, so I quit.
Jiggle Physics
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#373 - 2012-04-27 20:55:05 UTC
I can just taste the piteous rage of all these highsec corp posters attempting to sweep this well-argued, rational, logical, and overall high-quality thread under the rug with their barely-concealed fury in each "TL;DR".

Give it a read~ you can't wallow in your ignorant and destructive ways forever!
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#374 - 2012-04-27 20:58:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Jiggle Physics wrote:
I can just taste the piteous rage of all these highsec corp posters attempting to sweep this well-argued, rational, logical, and overall high-quality thread under the rug with their barely-concealed fury in each "TL;DR".

Give it a read~ you can't wallow in your ignorant and destructive ways forever!

Don't be silly. If they read it, they might be convicted which would have to be suppressed in order for them to ask CCP for more protection without looking guilty enough to be CONCORDed.

This kind of thing, you have to look away. In real life, you'd call it extremist or whatever to make sure as many people as possible do not read it. The opposite of propaganda.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Jiggle Physics
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#375 - 2012-04-27 21:03:22 UTC
But they're so defensive! I can imagine how offended they must be, that someone dares to accuse them of all people of being the real culprits behind the recent troubles in Eve's reputation. They just want to afk mine and RMT in complete invincibility, like one can in practically every other MMO on the market.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#376 - 2012-04-27 21:06:33 UTC
Takseen wrote:
I've done the whole "getting emotionally involved in high-risk online worlds" thing before. Sure it provides a lot of emotion, but its not really sustainable. Eventually I realised I was never going to get to be part of the top tier who gets to inflict losses instead of sustaining them without spending thousands of RL $, so I quit.

Yeah. EVE is like that, there's consequences.

I hear that, uh, just about every other mmo ever provides the no-losing type of gameplay you appear to be endorsing.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#377 - 2012-04-27 21:08:27 UTC
Jiggle Physics wrote:
But they're so defensive! I can imagine how offended they must be, that someone dares to accuse them of all people of being the real culprits behind the recent troubles in Eve's reputation. They just want to afk mine and RMT in complete invincibility, like one can in practically every other MMO on the market.

Well maybe they should have asked CCP to declare anti-miner sentiments on the forums as an exploit. That's not what general discussion was intended for.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Siobhan MacLeary
Doomheim
#378 - 2012-04-27 21:13:08 UTC
Wow, that was long.

While I do agree that ganking hisec miners is a fun pastime for all, some of your leaps of logic are a tad too far for me to handle. Personally, I believe CCP is working towards making CONCORD unnecessary with the new wardec mechanics and can-flipping resulting in everyone being able to shoot you - there will likely be a proliferation of police corps or something, and there will also be a proliferation of people figuring out exactly which cans are worth flipping, and then doing so as fast as possible. (The previous is all speculation).

Seriously, James 315, you make good points. But like your last manifesto (which I read in it's entirety), the first half was well-written and logical. However, once you finished the description of podkilling the Orca pilot, the quality of your rational thought swiftly sped downhill. Yes, the hisec miners have done quite a lot to make hisec living safer - but then, isn't it supposed to be safer than the other areas of New Eden?

Hisec is the heart of Empire space, and like any long-established civilization, the desire there is not for the continual discovery available to wormhole dwellers like myself or the push and pull of capsuleer warfare in nullsec. Rather, the desire is for safety, order, and stability. Is that desire, voiced by a presumably vocal minority, strangling EVE? Possibly. However, as long as nullsec, lowsec, and w-space provide an environment for the nonconsensual PVP we all love, making hisec safer, but not completely safe, does not strike me as a threat to EVE itself.

Point out to me a person who has been harmed by an AFK cloaker and I will point out a person who has no business playing this game.” - CCP Soundwave

Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#379 - 2012-04-27 21:14:14 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Takseen wrote:
I've done the whole "getting emotionally involved in high-risk online worlds" thing before. Sure it provides a lot of emotion, but its not really sustainable. Eventually I realised I was never going to get to be part of the top tier who gets to inflict losses instead of sustaining them without spending thousands of RL $, so I quit.

Yeah. EVE is like that, there's consequences.

I hear that, uh, just about every other mmo ever provides the no-losing type of gameplay you appear to be endorsing.


Most of them don't stack things so heavily in favour of the aggressor. Or in favour of the pvper over the resource gatherer in pvp combat. That makes Eve more unique, but doesn't lend itself to people wanting to fight back.
Joe Skellington
Sarz'na Khumatari
#380 - 2012-04-27 21:25:36 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Joe Skellington wrote:
TL;DR

No shame in not reading and just posting. This is the EVE-O Forums: General Discussion, after all.


I wanted to read it all, but it started turning into a novel. Why not draft a summary with links to dropbox for the longer pieces.

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