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LinearBurn Aideron
Hells legion
#1 - 2012-04-27 20:43:38 UTC  |  Edited by: LinearBurn Aideron
I would like to know how its ok for a corp or a aliance to overwelming concord giving them free reign to gank people in empire. If i found a way to adviod concord, I would be warned or baned. Why is it not the same for them? Empire is a simi safe place for new and old players, however the players involved in the jita gank fest ther actions disrupted gameplay and created a bad experance for many players that do not want to be involved in there combat or war. I thought it is our choice or right weither we want to go in to low sec or not , however this was forced upon us with out any warning or concideration from CCP. I did not lose any ship or was even fired on. I am asking a legitment question how is it ok for one group to exploit the system, and not any one else. I would like a offical responce to this. Im not flaming or gripeing im asking a legitment question.
Arkon Olacar
black.listed
#2 - 2012-04-27 20:47:44 UTC
Dafuq I just read?
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#3 - 2012-04-27 20:50:23 UTC
Translation: JITA IS BURNING! CCP DO SOMETHING! NO ONE TOLD ME IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN!

Member of the Pink Pony Killboard Padding Alliance
Five Thirty
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-04-27 20:52:27 UTC
Holy jesus.

92 words without a period.

Stay in school kids.
Daemon Ceed
Ice Fire Warriors
#5 - 2012-04-27 20:52:37 UTC
LinearBurn Aideron wrote:
I would like to know how its ok for a corp or a aliance to overwelming concord giving them free reign to gank people in empire if i found a way to adviod concord i would be warned or baned why is it not the same for them empire is a simi safe place for new and old players, however the players involved in the jita gank fest ther actions disrupted gameplay and created a bad experance for many players that do not want to be involved in there combat or war. I thought it is our choice or right weither we want to go in to low sec or not , however this was forced upon us with out any warning or concideration from CCP, I did not lose any ship or was even fired on , I am asking a legitment question how is it ok for one group to exploit the system and not any one else. I would like a offical responce to this. Im not flaming or gripeing im asking a legitment question.


WTF? I seriously want to go around slapping all of the English teachers that apparently failed to tie you to a chair until you learned to use proper English. I could give a pass to Hemingway because he was a total drunk, but your use of run-on sentences merit a vicious caning at the very least.

And, to answer your question; No. It is completely illegal do do anything or use any exploit that allows you to avoid losing your ship on the exact grid you committed the crime.
LinearBurn Aideron
Hells legion
#6 - 2012-04-27 20:53:42 UTC
Tah'ris Khlador wrote:
Translation: JITA IS BURNING! CCP DO SOMETHING! NO ONE TOLD ME IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN!



well thats not realy my point ...... I just wondering why its ok for a group of people to disrupt game play and exploit the system is all if i did it as a private individual i would be punished or baned
Eep Eep
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-04-27 20:54:31 UTC
You trolls realize the subject isn't his English?
Daemon Ceed
Ice Fire Warriors
#8 - 2012-04-27 20:55:42 UTC
Arkon Olacar wrote:
Dafuq I just read?


I wonder if he just chugged an entire bottle of mental Ipicac and vomited all over the page.
LinearBurn Aideron
Hells legion
#9 - 2012-04-27 20:56:01 UTC
Daemon Ceed wrote:
LinearBurn Aideron wrote:
I would like to know how its ok for a corp or a aliance to overwelming concord giving them free reign to gank people in empire if i found a way to adviod concord i would be warned or baned why is it not the same for them empire is a simi safe place for new and old players, however the players involved in the jita gank fest ther actions disrupted gameplay and created a bad experance for many players that do not want to be involved in there combat or war. I thought it is our choice or right weither we want to go in to low sec or not , however this was forced upon us with out any warning or concideration from CCP, I did not lose any ship or was even fired on , I am asking a legitment question how is it ok for one group to exploit the system and not any one else. I would like a offical responce to this. Im not flaming or gripeing im asking a legitment question.


WTF? I seriously want to go around slapping all of the English teachers that apparently failed to tie you to a chair until you learned to use proper English. I could give a pass to Hemingway because he was a total drunk, but your use of run-on sentences merit a vicious caning at the very least.

And, to answer your question; No. It is completely illegal do do anything or use any exploit that allows you to avoid losing your ship on the exact grid you committed the crime.


lol i just choked on my drink laughing. yea sorry grammer is not my strong set im good with math and science but suck at spelling and gramer
Daemon Ceed
Ice Fire Warriors
#10 - 2012-04-27 20:56:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Daemon Ceed
Eep Eep wrote:
You trolls realize the subject isn't his English?


This is my care face: =|

To add to your comment, it doesn't seem like yours is either.
Five Thirty
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-04-27 20:57:05 UTC
LinearBurn Aideron wrote:
Tah'ris Khlador wrote:
Translation: JITA IS BURNING! CCP DO SOMETHING! NO ONE TOLD ME IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN!



well thats not realy my point ...... I just wondering why its ok for a group of people to disrupt game play and exploit the system is all if i did it as a private individual i would be punished or baned



Actually no, there are no rules against griefing people. Ganking everything that comes into Jita is valid gameplay, and could be seen as market manipulation. I'm surprised you didn't hear about it, since there have been elventy billion threads about it the past month.
LinearBurn Aideron
Hells legion
#12 - 2012-04-27 21:01:48 UTC  |  Edited by: LinearBurn Aideron
Five Thirty wrote:
LinearBurn Aideron wrote:
Tah'ris Khlador wrote:
Translation: JITA IS BURNING! CCP DO SOMETHING! NO ONE TOLD ME IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN!



well thats not realy my point ...... I just wondering why its ok for a group of people to disrupt game play and exploit the system is all if i did it as a private individual i would be punished or baned



Actually no, there are no rules against griefing people. Ganking everything that comes into Jita is valid gameplay, and could be seen as market manipulation. I'm surprised you didn't hear about it, since there have been elventy billion threads about it the past month.


Define : Griefer


From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



A griefer is a player in a multiplayer video game who deliberately irritates and harasses other players


Griefing is the act of chronically causing grief to other members of an online community, or more specifically, intentionally disrupting the immersion of another player in their gameplay. The term griefer originated in the online gaming world, and although Wikipedia is not commonly regarded as a game (but see also Wikipedia:Wikipedia is an MMORPG), the phenomenon also occurs here, as it does also in other online communities such as Facebook.

Griefers are similar to trolls, with the main difference being that griefers will often act in groups, sometimes in the form of tag team editing, to deliberately ridicule content on Wikipedia with which they disagree, to ridicule and harass editors associated with that content, and to interfere with the normal workings of the project. Trolls will instead more often act individually by baiting other members in an attempt to disrupt, and by causing other community members to waste time in dealing with the troll's actions. Both griefers and trolls are usually acting out in a desire for attention.

from CCP them selves

6.CONDUCT

A. Specifically Restricted Conduct

Your continued access to the System and license to play the Game is subject to proper conduct. Without limiting CCP's rights to control the Game environment, and the conduct of the players within that environment, CCP prohibits the following practices that CCP has determined detract from the overall user experience of the users playing the Game.

Quote:
1.You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System.


2.You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played.
3.You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.
4.You may not use the Software, or any information accessible through the System, to bypass the System login architecture or create or provide any other means through which the System may be accessed and/or the Game may be played by others, as, for example, through server emulators.
5.You may not submit any content to any chat room or other public forum within the Game that is harassing, abusive, threatening, harmful, obscene, libelous or defamatory, encourages conduct that could constitute a criminal offense or give rise to civil liabilities, or is unlawful in any other way, including without limitation the submission of content that infringes on a third-party’s intellectual property rights.
6.You may not engage in any conduct that results in an Account containing items, objects, currency, character attributes, rank, or status that are inappropriate for the level or rank of the character contained in the Account, including without limitation arranging, making or accepting transfers of items to a character without adequate consideration, thereby augmenting or aggregating items in an Account and increasing its value for an Account sale.
LinearBurn Aideron
Hells legion
#13 - 2012-04-27 21:06:47 UTC  |  Edited by: LinearBurn Aideron
some more good info

In general, "griefing" is a term that means action against another player that makes the target feel like being targeted on purpose or for the sake of harassment only.

In EVE, "griefing" refers to various activities, some of which can be argued not to be "griefing" in the classic sense, but parts of valid gameplay.

There are certain forms of griefing that can get you banned from the game. These include (but probably are not limited to) can baiting in rookie systems and certain forms of verbal harassment.

Some types of griefing in EVE

Bump griefing

Bumping refers to ramming your ship into another pilot's in order to throw that ship out of alignment or to push it away from docking or jumping range. This can be used effectively as a combat tactic to stop an opponent from fleeing, but it can also be used simply to grief someone to hell. Ramming another player's ship is not considered to be in violation of the rules and policies of EVE Online.

This tactic is most notably executed at POS bubbles, where capital ships or other slow-moving vessels in particular may be bumped away from the safety of a shield bubble so that they can be tackled and destroyed.

Can flipping / baiting

This refers to the practice of (ab)using the Criminal Flagging System to cause a fight between yourself and an unsuspecting party in high-security space. See main article for more.

Can flipping is officially considered griefing only in Rookie Systems. Some people do it just for fun, without the actual intent to cause the feelings of harassment and frustration in the victim. It is, however, also a typical form of griefing in the classic sense.

Griefer war decs

"Griefer war decs" refers to the practice of declaring a war, typically in high-security, against a party who is not your competitor in politics, regional control, industry, or anything else, and does not want the war. Such wars are often, but not always, declared with the intent to extort money from the victim for termination of the war. While they are sometimes used for actual griefing (ie, declared only for the malicious enjoyment of seeing the victim suffer), they can also be seen as a valid playstyle, and are used by many for simple isk-making and/or combat training.

War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature.

Suicidegank griefing

a popular practice griefing miners, which are several days in the same System or easy to find with locator service agents. The agressors will try to kill a exhumer with a group of cheap ships, and afterwards extort money from the victim allowing him to mine unmolested again.
Daemon Ceed
Ice Fire Warriors
#14 - 2012-04-27 21:07:56 UTC
LinearBurn Aideron wrote:


lol i just choked on my drink laughing. yea sorry grammer is not my strong set im good with math and science but suck at spelling and gramer


It wasn't your drink you were choking on, but I digress.
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#15 - 2012-04-27 21:10:23 UTC
The fountain of caring...I believe it's all dried up.

Member of the Pink Pony Killboard Padding Alliance
Tauren Tom
Order of the Silver Dragons
Silver Dragonz
#16 - 2012-04-27 21:15:32 UTC
Well, from what's been said a fleet report was filed with CCP and they had plenty of notice so it is quite legitimate that Goons can "burn" Jita as they wish.

And if you're looking for a reason why someone can overwhelm concord with force/numbers? Read the books "EvE The Empyrean Age" Where the minmatar Elders overwhelm CONCORD and destroy the CONCORD control / order relay station.
In the grand scheme of things... You're all pubbies. So HTFU.   "It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses." - Elwood Blues
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2012-04-27 21:16:38 UTC
some people are complaining that concord is being too aggressive, killing folk who shoot at GCC flagged ships.. here, there are others saying concord isn't fast enough? I'm not sure there is a good solution to this... seems there is a problem eitehr way you go.

  - remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not  "afk" cloaking -

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LinearBurn Aideron
Hells legion
#18 - 2012-04-27 21:16:47 UTC
23.You may not exploit any bug in EVE Online to gain an unfair advantage over other players. You may not communicate the existence of any exploitable bug to others directly or through a public forum. Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting tool on our website.


what the players did in jita, may actualy fall under this one as concord is not responding.
Immortis Vexx
Onyx Moon Industries
#19 - 2012-04-27 21:16:56 UTC
Couple things...

A) The server stayed online
Your note about crashing the server from the EULA doesn't work. CCP had plenty of warning for this event and gave their full and complete blessing for it. The only way you wouldn't have known this was coming is if you live under a rock.

B) Griefing does not equal harassment
Harassment can be defined as continually harassing a specific player. What happened in Jita was just wanton destruction of which I thoroughly enjoyed watching.

C) No one was using an exploit as everyone died on grid
No one warped off or evaded concord in anyway. There were simply too many threats for concord to handle at once.

Speaking of living under a rock. You managed to find the C&P forums easily enough which means you should have known about the event as it has been the most talked about thing since hulkageddon.

While I share your carebear love for all things highsec I also love a bit of change in the environment once in awhile. Player driven content makes this game work and I'll be damned before I ask CCP to change any rules regarding the events that took place last night.

PS: Here's a fun article to read: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-04-27-ccp-players-attempt-to-destroy-eve-online-economy-is-f-ing-brilliant
Boomhaur
#20 - 2012-04-27 21:23:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Boomhaur
This is eve HTFU, and yes this is comming from a carebear who does nothing but PVE and Market PVP (this is your only warning I WILL gank your wallet). I blew past the Jita gank fest twice today already. Use your head and you will survive they can't kill us all, if they do no one will build them any more ammo Bear. And watching the battles outside of Jita is quite amazing I suggest you grab a ship and check it out (use your head I won't tell you how to get there alive).

Ohh and go back to hello kitty online.

Welcome to Eve. Everyone here is an Evil Sick Sadistic Bastard who is out to get you. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either trying to scam you or use you.
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