EVE General Discussion

Expound upon why it's a nerf. We are all ears.

My humble opinion, and I say this with all sincerity. When you attempt to force someone to play the game the way YOU think they should when they have no desire to because they are enjoying playing the game the way they are, the end results will be people leaving the game. As the majority of people live in High-Sec, and a fair (and large) number of them are people who would rather not have to deal with griefers.. do you really think CCP is going to toast their bottom line?

Of course, there are those wars where one corps mouthy members just beg to be slapped down and then when they get war decced they all bail out. So at the same time........

It's a hard road to walk. You have to balance both those who have no desire for pvp, and those who do -vs- those who's only reason for pvp is to grief people who have no desire for pvp. On the one side, it's legit, on the other it's bullying and while EVE is a cold harsh mistress I see no reason why CCP should pander to the psychotic asshats who's only joy in life is picking on the handicapped kid and stealing his lolly.

Myself... I just don't see any real viable simple solution, all I see is things being complicated, and looking like they are becoming more complicated.

Simplest fix would be to get rid of highsec all together and make everywhere 0.0. You'd lose about 1/2 the playerbase (give or take a bit) but any new players coming into the game will have to scrap and fight from the get go, and people who stay will be people who don't mind the scrap and fight either.

But again.. I don't see that happening as CCP isn't going to toast their bottom line.

*sighs* I think i'mma move back to WH's, at least there you know anybody in your home is either friend, or someone trying to kill you, and all the WD mechanics are worthless.

~Z

Will never happen as it would result in mass unsubs.

And if you work for a company and you quit, they decide if they will rehire you in the future. Corps are not necessarily a military organization. They are JUST an organization. It is a subtle thing that people want to overlook when having these discussions because it is against their interests to acknowledge that not all characters are combat pilots.

I haven't wathced that one yet, and I currently dont have the time to do it, but I will, i did read the blog howerver, but what I say here may be a bit off.

Anyway. Wardecs are currently a licence to bully, at leas that is what they are used for most.

Most people that declares war go up against people who have no means of defending themselves, wether they lack skills, lack the will to fight or whatever it is still the same. Currently the only real defence is corp hopping, and as we all know the wardeccers dont like that one bit..

To me who have been in a few wars the things that basicly annoyed the living crap out of me are two things.

Station games and neutral reppers. Basicly, fix those and you fix the war mechanics to a big extent.

First station games.
I seriously would like it if you are at war and fire at one of your target you should not be able to dock up unless that wartarget unlocks you for whatever reason (if it is running away or getting killed does not matter). If you shoot two targets then both must unlock you. No disengagement timer before docking or anything like that, only complete comittment from the moment you fire until the enemy is either dead or have flead the field. As long as you dont shoot however you should be able to dock up as much as you want.

Second neutral reppers.
I think neutral repping should be allowed... it is a viable tactic... but it should not be the way it is now where you can rep someone in a war, go dock up and wait 15 minutes and then come back out and fly in circles around the guys on the opposite side and they can do nothing about it. What I would like to see here is that if you do the neutral repper then you become part of the war. That is, the other side can shoot you at any time for as long as the war lasts... the twist however is taht the neutral repper can not initiate aggression. This would probably not discount neutral reppers, but after that they are also fully comitted as it should be.

In my experience wardeccers always talk about comittment from their targets... I want to give them that comittment.

Simple Solution:

Tie War Decs to POSes.

If you do not own a POS, you cannot declare war...or have war declared on you.
If you have a POS and have war declared on you, you cannot dismantle your POS... you must defend it or lose it, including all of the modules you had fitted to it.
If you have a POS and your last one gets blown up, the war ends immediately in defeat. If you blow up your attacker's last POS, the war ends in victory.


Players who do not want to run the risk of war decs will have to forgoe the reward of POS ownership.
By requireing attacking corps to own a POS, it ensures they have property at stake to lose in case the defender actually fights back.

For players who are content to carebear on their own or in small indy corps and not own property beyond their ships and goods, they are protected from griefers who are looking to free and easy kills.

Says stationgames alt..

That may be, but my point is, once aggressed, you should not be able to dock and hide. I've used it to my advantage before to get hulks and orca's out of harms way, but it should be done away with.

Well, the reason for the unlocking is because if you are the aggressor and attack someone and they target you back then you are locked out of the station as the aggressor. As long as the target does not shoot you it is not aggressing and as such can dock up. The second the target shoots back however its the initial aggressor that has to unlock the initial target before that guy can dock.

This way you as the target have the choice to deagress and dock up. The aggressor does not have that luxuary. If you commit to the fight however you are as much all in as the initial aggressor. That is about as fair as you will ever see in a fight like that.

If you want lore about it just say that the docking manager does not want to bring fights into the station and tells you that you need to sort your business outside.

When writing corp war mechanics you need to provide for 4 realistic options:

Fight and Win - Currently this is impossible (yes, really - how can the defender gain something)
Fight and Lose - This is possible.
Hide - This is possible, and more appealing than Lose.
Surrender - This is useless at current as it makes you a bigger target and provides no protection from future decs. The changes planned have no real effect on this.

So this leaves only the two realistic options: Fight and Lose, or Hide. Hiding costs less but is boring. Hiding discourages future decs, so is long term beneficial, too. This is why many corps choose to hide rather than fight. Hiding includes corp hopping or decshielding, or alliance war-shedding. All of these are bad options, but better than the alternative of fighting a war that you cannot win.

Yea, wars in the real world are about something other than griefing or someone looking for easy targets.

War in this game has no meaning, no real objective and is about as useful as bounties.