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How highsec miners threaten EVE, and how we can stop them. Manifesto II.

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deadmaus
farqar Corporation
#281 - 2012-04-27 14:45:40 UTC
Ah James, glad to see you are still around.

Your posts on "Why Is BoB Losing" were true genius that I and many others enjoyed reading ( still do for nostalgia) back in the day.


Not sure about this manifesto but still like your writing style.

cheers
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#282 - 2012-04-27 14:48:02 UTC
you and everyone who liked your post are literally terrorists.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#283 - 2012-04-27 14:50:47 UTC
Read it all. Loved it all. Gave every post a space-like.

They're in a game where they're ostensibly immortal pod pilots in command of the greatest machines in existence and not only are they limiting theirselves to stacking pebbles, but they want to limit everyone else to doing the same.

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Whambot
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#284 - 2012-04-27 14:57:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Whambot
Wait... EVE is an internet spaceship game right?

And how many hours were wasted putting this together?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#285 - 2012-04-27 15:07:14 UTC
Psychotic Monk wrote:
Read it all. Loved it all. Gave every post a space-like.

They're in a game where they're ostensibly immortal pod pilots in command of the greatest machines in existence and not only are they limiting theirselves to stacking pebbles, but they want to limit everyone else to doing the same.

Stacking pebbles you say. Quite a fitting analogy Big smile

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Doomheim
#286 - 2012-04-27 15:09:00 UTC
Given that every thread mentioning the Goons gets locked today lets try that...

Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game
FOl2TY8
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#287 - 2012-04-27 15:10:07 UTC
Ha good post OP.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#288 - 2012-04-27 15:13:39 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Psychotic Monk wrote:
Read it all. Loved it all. Gave every post a space-like.

They're in a game where they're ostensibly immortal pod pilots in command of the greatest machines in existence and not only are they limiting theirselves to stacking pebbles, but they want to limit everyone else to doing the same.

Stacking pebbles you say. Quite a fitting analogy Big smile


I like stacking pebbles ...

right before super-heating them and launching them at near-c speeds into someone's hull Twisted

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#289 - 2012-04-27 15:15:59 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:

You can reduce their spawn rate, reduce the yield in high sec or you could... You know... Design a war system that isn't laughably easy to bypass. Hell, you could even buff suicide ganking.


So, you want to reduce the minerals produced and greatly increase supply shortage as a cure to miners earning too much?

I think you got economy right the opposite way it works.

Not to miners, to high sec miners.

Although personally I think the better approach would be to nerf their ability to evade war decs, and possibly turn back some of the ganking nerfs.


Hi sec miners are the main low ends providers. Whatever you do to them, ANY kind of reduction of their yield, will reflect in double digits % prices increase.
The less of them / the less efficient of them you get, the higher you pay them.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#290 - 2012-04-27 15:16:30 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Psychotic Monk wrote:
Read it all. Loved it all. Gave every post a space-like.

They're in a game where they're ostensibly immortal pod pilots in command of the greatest machines in existence and not only are they limiting theirselves to stacking pebbles, but they want to limit everyone else to doing the same.

Stacking pebbles you say. Quite a fitting analogy Big smile


I like stacking pebbles ...

right before super-heating them and launching them at near-c speeds into someone's hull Twisted

Hm, you like railguns huh? Are they good after the whole hybrid changes? My only contact with them is in ratting.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Cristl
#291 - 2012-04-27 15:18:15 UTC
Heh. What's up with you Jimbo, cat got your tongue?

After dusting it off, crashing Bob's party disco style.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#292 - 2012-04-27 15:18:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:

You can reduce their spawn rate, reduce the yield in high sec or you could... You know... Design a war system that isn't laughably easy to bypass. Hell, you could even buff suicide ganking.


So, you want to reduce the minerals produced and greatly increase supply shortage as a cure to miners earning too much?

I think you got economy right the opposite way it works.

Not to miners, to high sec miners.

Although personally I think the better approach would be to nerf their ability to evade war decs, and possibly turn back some of the ganking nerfs.


Hi sec miners are the main low ends providers. Whatever you do to them, ANY kind of reduction of their yield, will reflect in double digits % prices increase.
The less of them / the less efficient of them you get, the higher you pay them.

I wouldn't worry about that too much. Perhaps we should suggest to CCP even bigger and more expensive mining ships with mre yield. Sure, their real income might not rise much, but you see where we're going with this, since ships have a fixed mineral cost.

P.S. Ship construction wasn't the point so much as destruction. Heh.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Lazarus 2010
HIGH SEC MINING CORP
Main Stage Strip Miners Excavation and Exploration
#293 - 2012-04-27 15:19:09 UTC
Wow. That totally reminded me of that time I mistakenly tried to cat a binary file.
Jayrendo Karr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#294 - 2012-04-27 15:19:41 UTC
OP is in an NPC corp posting about carebears ruining eve.
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#295 - 2012-04-27 15:22:04 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Hi sec miners are the main low ends providers. Whatever you do to them, ANY kind of reduction of their yield, will reflect in double digits % prices increase.
The less of them / the less efficient of them you get, the higher you pay them.


"It's ok that we bot and use cheat programs to prevent us from ever having to face death, because THE ECONOMY NEEDS US."
Velicitia
XS Tech
#296 - 2012-04-27 15:28:29 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Velicitia wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Psychotic Monk wrote:
Read it all. Loved it all. Gave every post a space-like.

They're in a game where they're ostensibly immortal pod pilots in command of the greatest machines in existence and not only are they limiting theirselves to stacking pebbles, but they want to limit everyone else to doing the same.

Stacking pebbles you say. Quite a fitting analogy Big smile


I like stacking pebbles ...

right before super-heating them and launching them at near-c speeds into someone's hull Twisted

Hm, you like railguns huh? Are they good after the whole hybrid changes? My only contact with them is in ratting.

Yeah, though I'm actually partial to the blasters.

Anyway, hybrids are a lot better than they used to be. I don't think they're really gonna be found in "big fleet" fights any time soon, but that's more a failing of the hulls than anything. Would be really nice to see Gallente hulls get silly fast ... but extremely clumsy (i.e. sure, you can go 3k m/sec in a straight line, but you have to practically stop in order to turn)

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#297 - 2012-04-27 15:32:59 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:

Well the truth is Eve is pretty ******* dull now. There is a massive culture of entitlement, even though it has become easier and easier to avoid PvP. The conclusion is inevitable, nothing good is happening to PvP in Eve. Nothing good has happened to PvP in Eve in a long time.

If anything the OP is limited in his scope when he describes the issues player entitlement has put on the Eve "sandbox", it is hardly even fit to call a sand box anymore. We have reached the point where an intelligent player can make as much ISK as they want, and realistically never expect to lose a ship.

This is not the Eve online that a lot of us signed up for.


Hi seccers are a non factor and the true content in EvE has mainly come from alliances warfare, some epic kill mails, some epic scams.

The fact EvE turned into a boring turd is certainly not because of those non factors, kill mails still happen, epic scams too.
So what degenerated here? Not the non factor hi seccers but the giant "do nothing ever" NAPS and crap.

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Xutech
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#298 - 2012-04-27 15:33:00 UTC
A well written and eloquent article.
Whambot
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#299 - 2012-04-27 15:40:57 UTC
Xython wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Hi sec miners are the main low ends providers. Whatever you do to them, ANY kind of reduction of their yield, will reflect in double digits % prices increase.
The less of them / the less efficient of them you get, the higher you pay them.


"It's ok that we bot and use cheat programs to prevent us from ever having to face death, because THE ECONOMY NEEDS US."



And every miner in sec above 0.5 is a botter? Not all of us are goons who are handed everything for free when we join. (and they think highseccers are coddled LOL) The only bots I've seen recently are the Mittens bots sitting in Jita bored
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#300 - 2012-04-27 15:43:04 UTC
I love this article : http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-04-27-ccp-players-attempt-to-destroy-eve-online-economy-is-f-ing-brilliant

Soundwave & Unifex think burn Jita is awesome.

Maybe there is hope.

Boooo dooo deeeee de de booo deooo bee doooo dee dooo bee dooo be-de-de-de-dooooo

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