Intergalactic Summit

This mystic sensualism sounds a lot like pagan debauchery to me.

I would want an excuse if I was an affront against nature.

Hmm, debauchery you know I like it when you talk all kinky Rodj.

Way to misinterpret my entire point and ascribe sentiment to it that wasn't there in the first place.

I said nothing about making excuses, or "making do" with anyone. If you're going to get into a relationship, you should be trying to make it last. If you're just "making do" with someone until someone "better" comes along, you sure as hell don't deserve what you already have.

I said not that these women are "making do" with other women until "good" men came along, but that these women are discounting men as possible partners entirely because the odds of finding a man who is available and compatible are so low that one might as well not bother looking. (As for why I didn't include the word "interested": if one isn't interested, they're not really available, are they?)

For the record: I have been with my current partner for well over two years now in some shape or form, and have zero intention of leaving her. I am also well to the right of center - about halfway to be precise - if we're insisting on using Seraphim's scale. This is mostly because of my needs in a relationship, but I would be lying if I didn't say past experience had nothing to do with it either.

However, as someone who once was in the position that these women are, as someone hearing from women currently in that position, and as someone constantly having to hear the tripe coming out of men who are perpetuating the issue, I am more than qualified and within my right to stand up and say why I think things are the way they are. That a number of other women agree with the sentiment says something.

Namely, that perhaps the men complaining loudest about the lack of available female partners are a very large part of the supposed "problem".

Since I'm not seeing much in the way of spirituality or religious belief here, I'd debate the 'pagan' bit, aside from in a stereotypical sense.

...mind you, I can see why you might not want these ideas to spread. The idea of Captain Fierach experiencing a revelation and abruptly starting to flirt with you is not for the faint-hearted. Let me know if she does, though, it sounds like a fun challenge to be in that firing line.

On the other hand, it would be entertaining to see her going on the offensive for once, instead of simply being offensive.

I don't see why this is even considered a problem. If a Capsuleer male wants a significant other, why does it need to be one of his peers? Can't he use his significant influence to woo a non-Capsuleer?

I've met a many men I like, actually. Few of them have been Capsuleers. Even so, I'm quite happily spoken for now, so my attractions to Capsuleers of the male persuasion are irrelevant.

As there now is a Gradient tag under these posts, let me clarify this:

"Mystic sensualism" is not a common tribal belief, though obviously it exists and is followed by many. Gradient so far has no other pilots subscribing to it, and by no means it is a corporation policy any more than some other beliefs held by various tribe members.

While many clans are matrilinear, I personally find it old-fashioned and an affront to propagate the idea that men in general "lack subtlety" and are "less nurturing" and pretty much predestined to not be good for anything but fight wars. I have many male friends - and have had lovers - and I find this to be completely untrue. As a corporation policy, all members of Gradient are expected to treat their male and female wingmates with the same civil and respecting conduct. Any hints that someone would be less suitable for any role in life (including that of a lover) based on their gender alone are out of line.

Individual preferences as to the gender of a lover are of course fine and none of the corporation's business - as are personal opinions about whether certain combinations of gender/tribe/age/whatever are disgraceful. Where romance between capsuleers occurs (which obviously does happen between people who work together) we expect people to handle the inevitable drama in a mature way.

Elsebeth Rhiannon
CEO
Gradient

Well....thinking on all this the men I have been interested in have all either led me on or spurned my affections, so even I have been considering not going after them as potential romantic partners. I mean, how come it is so hard to find a date with one of my peers? And why should I.settle for a baseliner?

Last time I tried to take a non-capsuleer he was constantly afraid that I spiked his drink with nanites, perhaps I should have told him about my loyalties before the date but it is hard enough for brutor girl living in the empire to find a date without bringing up my loyalties. So i don't think i will be doing that again, so maybe it is time to start pursuing women.

I do not consider relationships to be compatible with our current incarnations as capsuleers and, by definition, clones.

The reality of our existence is one of immortality, yes, but an immortality that leaves behind an ever-growing succession of clone bodies and violent deaths until we are but a copy of a copy of whom we once were. That, coupled with the treacherous world that we live in does not lend itself well to long-lasting relationships. It is virtually guaranteed that no capsuleer will end up passing away in the same body that they were born into this universe into, nor even the second body into which they will be reborn as a copy of themselves.

Still, even a clone body has biological urges that cannot be completely wiped out from the cloning process, nor can it be completely suppressed by medication and meditation.

In those instances the trysts that I have partaken in have been with those of a like-minded bent, both partners realizing the ever-shifting state of our existences and rendezvousing for a short time for said tryst before going on our separate ways.

Relationships, family, love, and nurturing does not enter into this particular equation as all partners recognize their need to satisfy themselves for a short bout of companionship before moving on once again. Family and the creation of does not enter into this arrangement either, as medical science makes 100% contraceptives practical for either or both partners.

I do not fault those who seek longer-lasting and more emotional and familial ties in their relations, but for myself and others of a like mind this is not our path.

*falls silent*