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EVE Bittervets and CCP Developers. You should both listen to this guy.

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Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#1 - 2011-09-30 04:02:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Renan Ruivo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJE0RrXg4Vs&feature=player_detailpage#t=1593s

Not trolling, i mean it.


Hey i'm not going to make the joke and say that we (the bittervets) and CCP are a married couple (even though for the outsider, our relation might really seem to be the same thing). Check the video out.. might as well check the entire video (linked only the relevant part of the message i found interesting). A lot of what this guy says is appliable to the relation we as a community have with CCP. Wouldn't hurt to take some of the advice (just woulnd't count the sex advice though.. we don't need to have sex with CCP.).


Talks about wrongdoings from both ends.. unforgiveness.. bitterness and how pratically how one side will poison himself wishing the other would die.


Replace the "Husband" with CCP and the "Wife" with the community when both sides are asking forgiveness with each other.. with the cheesy music and all.. and i promise you will laught your ass off. But makes sense, is appliable and it is true.

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.

Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#2 - 2011-09-30 05:28:40 UTC
Yes, the guy is a pastor. No, that is not a church seminar. Yes, i am also a religious person. No, i don't care when people troll my over my religion beliefs.

I expected to see some trolls.. but i guess that when you throw in something that even barely resemble something religious people get all coy.. and respectfull.. and afraid to hurt people's feelings and stuff like that. Either that or you're afraid of being reported because of religion bashing ^^

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#3 - 2011-09-30 05:42:33 UTC
Renan Ruivo wrote:
Yes, the guy is a pastor. No, that is not a church seminar. Yes, i am also a religious person. No, i don't care when people troll my over my religion beliefs.

I expected to see some trolls.. but i guess that when you throw in something that even barely resemble something religious people get all coy.
…or maybe the points he made about relationships were pretty much completely separate from the religious bits and you could skip the latter without in any way impacting on the former.

Also, to get the gist of what he was saying, you didn't need to watch that long, and it took a while before he slipped into the really Jesus:y bits…
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#4 - 2011-09-30 05:48:56 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Renan Ruivo wrote:
Yes, the guy is a pastor. No, that is not a church seminar. Yes, i am also a religious person. No, i don't care when people troll my over my religion beliefs.

I expected to see some trolls.. but i guess that when you throw in something that even barely resemble something religious people get all coy.
…or maybe the points he made about relationships were pretty much completely separate from the religious bits and you could skip the latter without in any way impacting on the former.

Also, to get the gist of what he was saying, you didn't need to watch that long, and it took a while before he slipped into the really Jesus:y bits…


Exactly =)

Also.. me, personally, i did have to watch it that long... Actually its a 4 hour long seminar and i had to watch it all since i work with subtitle translation, and i need to create portuguese subtitles for his entire seminar ^^


Pretty comedic stuff and would help a lot of couples. Like i said, its not religious stuff, that dude is just a relationship councilor (and a very good i might add... John Gray good) who just so happens to be a pastor. And a composer. And a video technician. And an airplane pilot....

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.

Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#5 - 2011-09-30 06:53:32 UTC
yeah except as an aetheist, I find it offensive when ppl foster their religion on others using this veils like this. Well its reported, ill let the mods decide that.

Dont gotta jump to personal attacks right off the bbat when you disagree with someone. Jus sayin, thats why religion is usually a no-no on forums in the first place.

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#6 - 2011-09-30 07:32:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Richard Hammond II wrote:

Dont gotta jump to personal attacks right off the bbat when you disagree with someone. Jus sayin, thats why religion is usually a no-no on forums in the first place.



Oh really ? That's WHY ? So people will be prevented from personally attacking right off the bat...... to quote you.

What have you been smoking ? That's all that happens on these forums regardless.




Oh and......... I'm a freakin' San Francisco Athiest, and I see no violation here at all. Roll

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

mkint
#7 - 2011-09-30 07:37:29 UTC
Couldn't give a flying monkey turd about the jeebus stuff.

However, all the forgiveness stuff you linked... it doesn't take into account where one party repeatedly and habitually abuses trust. Sometimes a divorce is the right thing to do. But sometimes it's worth sticking around at arms length to see if the other party is actually being sincere about seeking forgiveness or just wants to keep getting laid. And if I recall, CCP hasn't actually said anywhere "we're sorry for not taking your needs into account" nor anything like it. Just "subs are down, we're giving you what you've wanted so we can keep paying our mortgages." One deserves a long term commitment, the other deserves to get kicked to the curb.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#8 - 2011-09-30 07:37:57 UTC
Oh...and go ahead and report the Signature I've had below for WELL over 18 months as Religious. Just try.

He's a freakin' quantum physicist. You wanna ban SCIENCE too? Try.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#9 - 2011-09-30 07:47:29 UTC
mkint wrote:
However, all the forgiveness stuff you linked... it doesn't take into account where one party repeatedly and habitually abuses trust.


Yup, which is exactly what's happening when players constantly tell CCP that CCP's dreams are rubbish.

Go and have a serious think about the nature of the relationship between CCP and the players. Would you want to be in CCP's shoes?
non judgement
Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
#10 - 2011-09-30 08:29:55 UTC  |  Edited by: non judgement
Richard Hammond II wrote:
yeah except as an aetheist, I find it offensive when ppl foster their religion on others using this veils like this. Well its reported, ill let the mods decide that.

Dont gotta jump to personal attacks right off the bbat when you disagree with someone. Jus sayin, thats why religion is usually a no-no on forums in the first place.


What a silly thing to say.

As a person who plays Eve... I don't like how you bring your atheist ideas into the forum.
It's your belief. It may not be others.
Please leave it at home.

Your belief in no god is just the same as people who believe in god.
Ghost Resonance
Doomheim
#11 - 2011-09-30 08:34:09 UTC
Dis +1 Fred yet ? Ugh
non judgement
Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
#12 - 2011-09-30 08:58:35 UTC  |  Edited by: non judgement
Quote:
accepting less than satisfying delivery without too much complaints.


But we don't pay them for any delivery...

We give them money so we can play the game.
They might use the money to upgrade the game, but its not what we are paying them for.
They don't even have to upgrade it, if they choose not to.

Very simple.

People here seem to forget that CCP owes us nothing but access to their server to play their game.
They say they will make expansions every so often. But they don't have to. It isn't what we pay them for.

1 month access to their server is what we pay them for.

The upgrades/expansions are a bonus.

We should stop looking a gift horse in the mouth. Being friendly doesn't take much effort.
knobber Jobbler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2011-09-30 09:07:57 UTC
Richard Hammond II wrote:
yeah except as an aetheist, I find it offensive when ppl foster their religion on others using this veils like this. Well its reported, ill let the mods decide that.

Dont gotta jump to personal attacks right off the bbat when you disagree with someone. Jus sayin, thats why religion is usually a no-no on forums in the first place.


Religion is like a penis, keep it to yourself and those that want to see it so don't go waving it around in public.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2011-09-30 09:29:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Grimpak
knobber Jobbler wrote:
Richard Hammond II wrote:
yeah except as an aetheist, I find it offensive when ppl foster their religion on others using this veils like this. Well its reported, ill let the mods decide that.

Dont gotta jump to personal attacks right off the bbat when you disagree with someone. Jus sayin, thats why religion is usually a no-no on forums in the first place.


Religion is like a *****, keep it to yourself and those that want to see it so don't go waving it around in public.



and this is how you must handle religion.


as long as I don't get religious nuts knocking at my door demanding me to pray to their god, I couldn't care less about religion.


and yes, I am an atheist, and yes, there are some atheists out there that see "OMFG YOUS ARE FOSTERING RELIGION!" everywhere, and tbh I dislike those attitudes as much as the above stated religious nuts.

mkint wrote:
However, you Sir, are a rock star in EVE. A Prism X devlog or forum post garners way more respect from me than one from some of your bosses (and I'd wager the same is true for many of the vocal players.) I hope the dev-of-the-line really knows how much we all hope the managers et al will opt for that cranial-rectal extraction procedure they so desperately need.



hell yeah, prism X is cool in my book, and so are some of the devs.

the issue seems more like upper management playing the developer game and not having a clue what they are doing.

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[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right

Forum Bug
Doomheim
#15 - 2011-09-30 10:12:02 UTC
As Ankh has reiterated none of us like this stiuatiion, the money angle really become a problem with the introduction of MT. At that point it was injected right into the sandbox, unfortuanlty for CCP it was done in a perecieved underhanded way. That has cost CCP trust a lot of it. Since then you guys have been fire fighting, or at least the Admin component of CCP has and one of the stratergies seemed to us like "Oh that idea failed lets role out a dev see if that calms the rabble". Implicating you guys so now its us against you, which is bad for everyone as no won can win this we will all lose.

This post of yours CCP Prism X, is encouraging you guys do understand at least where we need to get too, its about the sandbox and thats about the community now all we have to do is fix it, god knows how though.. Ugh
non judgement
Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
#16 - 2011-09-30 10:17:00 UTC
Just signs of low morale.

What things do you usually do when the mood of the people around you starts sinking?
Now would be a good time for something like that.
fanaka
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2011-09-30 11:45:27 UTC
I want to hear more of that Pastor talk about our Lord Jesus Christ. CCP.... Enough of catering to heathens who stray from the Christian path.

God Bless Christs' Children
Gregor Palter
#18 - 2011-09-30 11:54:16 UTC
Being as much an atheist as one can be and kinda ignoring the underlying tone that guy sometimes may have, you should download his whole routine because it's really really good.

Excuses are the refuge of the weak.

CCP Zymurgist
C C P
C C P Alliance
#19 - 2011-09-30 14:40:03 UTC
Thank you Renan Ruivo we appreciate the thought however this thread is going to be locked to stem the flow of religious discussion.

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