EVE General Discussion

And I've been complaining about jump freighters, jump bridges and anything else with jump in the name just as much as I have about carebears.

brilliant, not completely true but brilliant. and kudos for finding out how to kill them.

This man is the most beautiful man.

I read it all, as should most people.

First of, when a player who has been playing the game for years longer than you tells you something, it might be a good time to at least take the time to read it. While it's grim, unpleasant, and sobering to read, it is unfortunately at least 90% true. He doesn't have it entirely correct, but it's correct in more than enough places to not change the overall outcome.

Eve is:
Living
And Dying
In Space

If you cannot accept this core fact, you simply should play another game. All previous space sim games like EVE also had this core belief all the way back to Elite, the very first game of this kind. Space is dark, grim, foreboding, and it should be a dangerous place full of unknowns. If that scares you, get some shields, grab a gun, and maybe a friend or two.

Unfortunately...

CCP wants to cater to players who think all online games are essentially chat-rooms with stuff to do in the background. Kongregate in space, essentially. Pay your monthly fee for an online chat room. Because that's all my son plays. And all his friends play. Games like that. This is based upon over twenty years of online game playing and seeing many, many games come and go. CCP's direction is clear and likely won't change unless we unfortunately do much more than even he suggests. We simply won't affect the end decisions of CCP's directors and MBAs and programmers.

They are humorless, soulless middle-aged men who are in it for the money and their careers. Their agendas are entirely different than the players'. It's always been this way in gaming companies and always will be. So what does this mean for the players? If you watch the video on security from the fanfest, one phrase was repeated three times by the head of the department who is in charge of all of this. What was this?

"Death beams".

As in "instant death" by Concord. It's in the video - watch it and the context in which he talks about it. He's telling it to the people as if it's something what's in the works that he's not supposed to be leaking but is just to them. HE seems to like the idea and he's the guy in charge at CCP of in-game security.

He said it three times and its absolutely clear that we cannot win nor will we change CCP's mind on turning high sec into a separate non-combat server, in essence. And that's the goal - High is like a normal WoW or Everquest server and 0.0 is like a PVP server. With a tiny strand of low to serve as a zone between them, so the two "servers' act as one giant one. Sony is also certainly pressuring CCP on this as they absolutely never allow PVP and non PVP players in the same servers. And they have even less humor. To Sony, it's deadly serious business.

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So what is the solution? I've been mulling this over for years in the back of my head as I've see the cancer grow. Something is dreadfully wrong with EVE and yet it goes beyond miners and all of that.

It's the idea that you can get something for no risk.

This is a space simulation game, after all. This affects high sec AND low sec. Both are entirely too passive and make isk too easily. In essence, all of the shiny objects in eve are easy to grasp and there's little risk. No need to go outside of either area. This causes the cancer - it's a stagnation where you have two equally dysfunctional communities side by side by never really interacting. Because you now have two entirely different player bases on the same game (and with Dust, a third!). What needs to happen is obvious. The best money and missions and rewards in eve need to be squarely in low sec where they force the two player bases to interact. Do it not with penalties but with real incentives - and let the players work it out, sandbox-style.

Basically what I propose is that all ores above veld and similar "basic" ores be the only thing you find in most of high AND 0.0. All of the rest is moved to low, with the ABC ores moved to 0.4. Incursions would only have the 1.0 multiplier in low. Not 0.0. Level 4 missions would force you to go into low almost always. Level 5 would be based in low (not 0). Most of the wormhole entrances would be in low. And so on.

There has to be risk for the rewards. You can mine or live your life like normal in high or low. Fine. I get it - I really do. But the best items and isk has to be nearby but just out of reach. It has to be at least a little bit dangerous to get rich. This would force high and 0.0 corps to fight over the resources in low and entice miners to low as it's just that ONE jump away... Pirates and bounty hunters would also get in on the action. Most of EVE would stay the same in high and low, and a good life could be had for either group of players. But the stagnation would be gone as you'd have to work and take risks to do more than idle through the month.

And it won't break the game to do so. We won't be seeing thousands of ships being blown up in a massive venting of rage that serves no real purpose. Yes, people are angry. But since we can't change CCP we can at least maybe get them to change the location of the best rewards and loot.

That's about the least acceptable thing ever proposed in all of Eve history.

Cynos and titanbridges are a huge source of risk in 0.0, though. It's a hell of a lot harder to be immune to the risk of a hotdrop than putting a scout in neighboring systems.

And if it wasn't for titanbridges and jump bridge networks we couldn't go roaming in Cobalt Edge halfway across eve while drunk and Deklein couldn't play host to roaming gangs from everywhere all the time. There isn't enough stuff or people in 0.0 to justify 'expanding' it by increasing travel time and even if you could you'd be removing conflict generators in doing so.

I agree.

But... unfortunately CCP has made it clear that the direction that they are going in is the way IT WILL BE. CCP is all about the money and careers and on on - it's a multi-million dollar *corporation* Unless we are pragmatic and start to speak their same language, we'll never get though to them.

We need to get CCP to change the risk/reward dynamic to be more honest and not to cater to either 0.0 or high. It's really the only solution that we have left since CCP simply won't do a 180 on their current path.

Cyno and JB are garbage?? please... Cyno and JBs are logistical structures! they are used for faster deployment of forces through out strategical vantage systems! and you say it killed one of the main factors of PVP?? IT IMPROVED PVP MORE! by telling this you are saying that there shouldn't be capital ships to begin with...

So says someone with barely a year experience playing EVE. Unfortunately, most of you simply aren't old enough to have the perspective in this game like this man has, and so therefore are not really qualified to pass judgment on him.

Whole lotta people in here who are mad. Mad about James 315 posts, despite them being goodposts.