EVE General Discussion

TL:DR such ******** wall of text without any content

It took 15 minutes to read, TLDR for a mouth breather perhaps. That being said, a proper synopses would be that risk aversion in a game about risk has been destroying EVE for years and CCP does little but enable it and would seem to be embracing it more than ever.

The crux of the argument is that miners are the worst of this lot, and I wholly agree. There is simply no other entity more cut throat about making isk for no other reason than to make isk while ignoring the very principles the game was built upon all while wanting the game dumbed down to support their addiction and sense of entitlement.

Thank you OP for being one of the few people on these forums who is actually capable of putting together so much articulated text that is both easy and a pleasure to read.

My view? Absolutely nothing in this game should be able to be done AFK at all, from mining to missions and even to cloaking all day in a system for the lulz. The point of using server resources is to be at your computer engaged with the game. The point of playing the game is to interact with others even if what you are doing is ACTIVELY avoiding them. If that were ever seriously addressed to the point that you couldn't afford to go AFK for even a few minutes in any sec doing an activity you profited from it would do the game so much good.

I started playing EVE as a miner, end of 2008 when I lost my job. And it was fine for a bit, I made easy low risk ISK while I watched movies and did what unemployed people do when home alone. I moved cities looking for new work, and still mined away, hating the evil PVP types for daring to "ruin" my game.

Then I got a job. Working full time in an office, going over large figures and charging them to other companies, endlessly doing the same keyboard/mouse interactions over and over. Quickly, mining became a chore. It wasn't time enjoyed, there was no entertainment from the act of mining, merely what I did outside of EVE while I mined.

Soon after, I started a small corp with a handful of friends of mine, fitted up some cheap t1 frigates and took off to low/null. My first time out, I lasted two null sec gates before I got popped. We died horribly and got podded to a man.

It was fun. It was the first time I'd actually got any kind of buzz or thrill from EVE. To enjoy something, to truly get any sense of thrill from doing something, you have to have a chance to fail, to lose. Going into a situation where you can't die/lose, where there is no risk, you already know the outcome and there is no real sense of accomplishment, no sense of victory or triumph.

So, I'd ask those who still walk the path of mining in the comfort of the proverbial womb that is high sec two questions;

Are you really playing aand enjoying this game, or merely going through the motions while watching ?
Why do you do what do you?

I'd also suggest to the die hard PVE/mining types to just get fit a Thrasher/t1 frig, fly around in low/null and take a risk for once. Personally, I've never looked back since.

Boring...

Goons are terrorists of eve first off. They kill off anything that doesn't benafit them. If your blue to them your mearly a pawn in play at the momment or scared as **** of them. If you have seen any of thier recuitment causes you would agree. give us all your **** or sell it to us out in nullsec for some blah blah... either way its a retained system they have out there and coming down to highsec to blow the **** out of hulks is only hleping them to fund **** like nuken jita or w/e. They try to take all your eve worldly possesions because at that point your back down to noob status and completely dependant on them so they look like the hero. But in all honesty its slavery one oh one. Them attacking the bots fine that helped eve and kicked ccp in the ass and got them moving on the bot issue (sorry russians lol).

I've mined in all sec status in eve. Not a pro by any means, but I know this much. In eve as a noob who do you go to for a ship?
The locals that supply you with your first cheap ship around thier "birth place" or the spot that all the skill books are. not null, so highsec miners are completly dependant on nullsec minerals or wh minerals either way two ways to get it. at no point do i see how highsec miners who don't pvp effect nullsec. miners mine the place ore is without resistance. so your pvp effects the miners in nullsec. I don't know one ******* miner who would mine while a enemy fleet was near by. ofc there is a exception with gankers but all they do is profit off of hard earned isk threw ganking for no reason but goons used you as pawn so they could sell more ships. I mean really are you all retards who don't get it. Greifing only helps the people who sponsore the ganking why would they pay you so much dam isk per gank. because it benafits them in some way. anyone ganking miners are all goons bitches you all are slaves for the bigger picture.

But don't looks for ccp to do anything about this bc goons does nothing but encourage more players sinking plex's into eve. so this act will never be banned. all it says is oh I like being goons ***** and like shooting **** that won't shoot me back. so yall are really the ultimate carebears complaining over the justifications of killing miners and the only way it effects nullsec is pilots jumpclone down to do some stupid **** and goons get more isk off hulk and destroyer production.

w/e this is my rant and i don't see how miners in highsec will ever be pvpers in null. the pvper that is sponserd by the highsec miner might move the miner out to null with him bc he has a eye on the situation but in the end its a logistical nightmare with trust issues
and the limitations of the layout of your sov and what the stations offer at entry level. highsec doesn't care and i only have one question for goons and test.

Are you mad bro with that you can't control?

See, there you go misattributing motivations again. Team Awesome was focussed on pushing WiS as a way of appealing to the masses of trials who never converted to subscribers due to the lack of appeal of always being a space ship. This was not the hisec crowd that CCP was appealing to, it was people who never subscribed after trialling the game.



The people who want WiS are not all carebears. Not all carebears want WiS. One of the reasons your 18 post rant comes off looking so poorly thought out and disconnected is that you conflate these two issues. You conflate all the play styles that you don't like into one mass and label that mass "carebears" regardless of whether that player participates on PvP outside the structure bashing confines of nullsec.

What really killed PvP in nullsec was hot drops, cap & supercap proliferation, the focus on structure bashing, the endless NAP/NIPs and the focus of alliance leadership on moon mining as an income stream. Real PvP is still alive, you must have to enter w-space to find it. Of course that means leaving behind the safety of Titan bridges and supercarrier logistics support, along with the perfect intel of Local chat, what really killed nullsec PvP was mudflation: the progressive growth of equipment level that inevitably lead to the situation of a few dozen p,ayers being able to shut any small alliance put of nullsec permanently.

What really threatens the future of the game is players who insist that their play style is the only legitimate playstyle in the game, players who think that EVE has an "endgame" and players who view any progress in playstyles that are not theirs as the death of their playstyle.

Good god...

I have seen the enemy, and the enemy is really, really dumb.

And yet it is still easy for a -10 to gank a Hulk in hisec with a single destroyer. I am not seeing any indication here that hisec PvP is threatened,



The intent of CONCORD is to punish the perpetrator for committing a crime. It was intended that there should be no way to evade CONCORD. It was the gankers over-exploiting a mechanic to evade CONCORD that led to this nerf,



The call for buffs to Hulks has been going for many years longer than you indicate, and has not generally been in response to suicide ganks, but in response to perceived imbalance between Hulks and other T2 ships of similar size. Every miner knows that the way to avoid suicide ganking is to not be where the gankers are.

Well said. I play Eve because of the piracy, the intrigue, and the wars. I won't cry crocodile tears to CCP when my number's up.

Haven't had this much laugh since I read the Communist Manifesto for the first time.