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Ships designed to cloak should stay cloaked ...... everything else is open for debate.

Actualy that will not effect afk miners att all depends on timer if you run with bonuses each 10 mins you defently ned to do somting with that char you cant just wait longer.

my problem with AFK cloaking?


It's killing fleet fights, is currently un-counterable, and its forcing a shift of gameplay that REQUIRES you to have a second account if you want to "peeveepee" in 0.0


What is becoming an ever increasing "standard" - is that players should have alt accounts which have a Cloakey Covops, and Covert cyno generator. Owner of the player moves the chararacter to system X, his mates, whom also have cloakey alts set them up in system Y, Z, and A - meaning that over 50% of the constelation has an afk cloakey with covert cyno capabilities.



Afk cloakey is left to be AFK, while the owner focuses on his main character, which is PVPing elsewhere, ratting, in a wormhole, basicly doing whatever he/she wants to do at the time.



With dualscreens, or simply tabbing to the afk cloakey character at regualr invervals to check local chat, and Dscan looking for easy targets. If the people in the system move to another system, no problems, you're mates probably jsut told you as they noticed local spike on their afk cloakey.


When a target presents itself, 1 minute later theres 30-50 people in system, their targets dead, and they're allready in warp towards the exit, as they know the path back to their blackops pilot is clear as they have their other afk cloakeys in the next adjacent systems.




honestly - what can you do to counter that?


How is this a good fight, or fun for anyone other than the turkey laughing manicly as he lights the cyno, and the fleet that jumps in to kill stuff they KNOW they have absolutely no chance of being able to survive, or pick off any of their crew, as they essentialy pick and choose all their fights.

How can one counter this without having double their numbers in system 23/7 waiting for them to strike? which is not a viable solution.

AFK Cloaking needs to be looked at unless you want "fleet fights" in 0.0 to be replaced in their entirity with blobs, supercapblobs and hotdrops. Because at current, why would you go out with 20-50 people roaming around looking for a fight when everyone else just hotdrops onto you, or onto other targets. Its too easy, and provides too much safety to the attackers in regards of the people doing it never having too initiate a fight that they are not certain that they will win, even more so if they are operating from a 0.0 NPC station, which in effect makes them un-evictable.

Yes, when a player is not actively using the client - or at their computer.

Again - they're not using the afkcloak for anything other than glancing at the screen every now and then, they're flying around having a blast doing missions etc on another account, therefor the clien that hast the character thats cloaked - is afk and not being used for the mostpart.

Still applies to the "they are there but are they realy there" aspect of AFK cloaking - and it seems that for the mostpart of this thread the coupling of the afk cloaker with hotdrops hasnt been discussed.

Agree that this demonstrates much of what is wrong (or right depending on POV and what type of play you personally are into atm) with 0.0 today ... but separate issue from AFK'ing or AFK cloaking ....

IMO, we don't need to nerf 0.0 (a lot of ppl like it the way it is) ... but rather, create NEW 0.0-like spaces that allow for additional types of game play (i.e.-small homesteader regions / regions where cyno / transport is horribly limited, etc.).

Necro'ing is bad mkay?

Thank you for resurrecting my epic AFK cloak thread. I wouldn't know what I'd do without it.

If it's AFK... Just ignore him?

Unless it's a hexagon?

There is always someone asking for some way to decloak AFK cloakers but why? If they are AFK then why are you bothered?

Would you be as concerned by that red that sits in station all day instead? Or as pointed out by the WH Monkies, if there was no local and you didn't know he was there, would you still be worried about the possibility there was an AFK cloaker around?

9/10 they are in a SB and as soon as they try to kill someone, they will die in a fire if people are paying attention.

If you are worried about being hotdropped, should you really have been mining/plexing/ratting in the first place?

Quite happy with the way cloaks and Cov Ops/Recons work and don't think they need changed.

However, it would be good, as someone else pointed out in another thread, if there was a specific mod that could be used to uncloak ships in a 15km radius. I remember the snowball launchers we got a few xmas's ago did this very well......

Whelp neuts in local..... time to play Battlefield 3.

But seriously though, the one problem I have with AFK cloaking on a philosophical level is that it makes you 100% safe. Just warp to something at 100 and cloak up. Or make an off grid safe and cloak.

The one thing I really like about eve is that no matter what you are doing you are never really safe. It doesn't matter if you are mining in highsec you can still get shot.

But in eve there are two instances where you are totally invulnerable. When you are docked in a station and when you are in a safe spot cloaked.

Now ideally when Incarna comes out (Real walking in stations Incarna, not playing dress up in your studio apartment Incarna.) you'll be able to kick in their captain's quarters door and shoot someone in the face. So maybe the docked up hostiles thing will be something we can get to later on.

But in the meantime it baffles me that someone can fly into the most unsafe space in the game (nullsec) into a system full of people that want to shoot them on sight and just turn on a module on their ship that allows them to go AFK for hours on end completely 100% safe. I'd give cloaked ships the tiniest signature so that you'd need an actual probing ship or faction probes to find them. And even then it'll take 10 minutes or so. Just long enough that if the cloaked person is moving around and actively putting effort into not being found they'll be more or less ok.

If this was one of those pansy orcs and elves MMOs if someone was hiding in a pvp zone AFK you could just search the bushes until you found where they were hiding and beat them to death.

Seriously guys I don't want eve to be a game where you can be safer in pvp in a cloaked ship than some poofter rogue hiding in World Of Warcraft.